FBI Under Pressure for Targeting Catholics - Leaked Document

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11 Feb 2023, 5:13 pm

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The FBI has come under scrutiny after a leaked document showed the bureau warning that "radical traditionalist" Catholics pose as an extremist threat.

Kyle Seraphin, a former FBI special agent and federal whistleblower, obtained the document from the bureau's field office in Richmond, Virginia, and published it on the UncoveredDC website.

The document is titled "Interest of Racially or Ethnically Motivated Violent Extremists in Radical-Traditionalist Catholic Ideology Almost Certainly Presents New Mitigation Opportunities."

The memo notes that FBI investigations have found that there is a "growing overlap" between the far-right white nationalist movement and RTCs.

The January 23 document claims that RTCs are a small minority of the Catholic Church. They adhere to "anti-Semitic, anti-immigrant, anti-LGBT and white supremacy" ideology, while also preferring the "traditional Latin mass."

The memo notes that these Catholics reject the Second Vatican Council and show a "disdain for popes elected since Vatican II."

Also included in the memo was a list of Catholic organizations that are defined as hate groups by civil rights advocates the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC). These include the Catholic Apologetics International in Pennsylvania and the Slaves of the Immaculate Heart of Mary in New Hampshire.

The FBI has since confirmed to several news sites that it has removed the document from its systems because it does not meet the "exacting standards of the FBI."

"While our standard practice is to not comment on specific intelligence products, this particular field office product—disseminated only within the FBI—regarding racially or ethnically motivated violent extremism does not meet the exacting standards of the FBI," the statement read.

"Upon learning of the document, FBI Headquarters quickly began taking action to remove the document from FBI systems and conduct a review of the basis for the document," the statement added.

he bureau has since been criticized by a number of conservative figures after news emerged of the memo being pulled.

Charlie Kirk, political commentator and founder of Turning Point USA, tweeted: "The FBI was just caught plotting to target Catholics who attend Latin Mass using SPLC rhetoric as justification to treat them as enemies of the state. The KGB didn't go away. They just got the FBI to adopt their tactics."

Georgia congresswoman Marjorie Taylor Greene wrote, while sharing extracts of the leaked memo: "This is religious persecution. And it's being done by our own government. I'll say it again. DEFUND THE FBI!"

Texas GOP representative Ronny Jackson added: "Apparently 'devout Catholic' Joe Biden is using his FBI to target Catholics. WOW! The FBI has truly become the enemy of the people. They've actually declared war on Christians now!! UNBELIEVABLE!"

It is almost as if the FBI wanted to validate the Orabanists now holding hearings with insurrectionist intent.


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11 Feb 2023, 7:52 pm

Not just because of this.
The FBI's integrity is is tatters, IMO. 8)



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13 Feb 2023, 5:47 pm

This is twisting words. They are saying that there are radical Catholics yet somehow this is being twisted into "all Catholics." If they have chatter of people forming groups with bad intentions - lets say targeting "liberal" Catholic clergy - then its worthy of notice.

My wife is a devout Catholic and I was raised Catholic. I am a "none" and am probably in the agnostic/Deist category.

We have met a few "radical Catholics." And yes, they are nuts. One guy told us he wants to return to the era when Mass was in Latin and he wanted Catholics to approach the altar on their hands and knees.

Its not just that he believes it, he is extremely judgmental of Catholics that don't believe this. Its not a stretch to me that some of these people could really hate liberal Catholic clergy.

This is akin to the FBI warning about radical Islam, and then going, "ah the FBI is targeting all Muslims."



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13 Feb 2023, 5:57 pm

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This is twisting words. They are saying that there are radical Catholics yet somehow this is being twisted into "all Catholics."

Unfortunately, WP software allows a very limited amount of characters in the title. meaning I am often forced to put in the least misleading title


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13 Feb 2023, 9:03 pm

ASPartOfMe wrote:
stratozyck wrote:
This is twisting words. They are saying that there are radical Catholics yet somehow this is being twisted into "all Catholics."

Unfortunately, WP software allows a very limited amount of characters in the title. meaning I am often forced to put in the least misleading title


That wasn't the "least misleading." "FBI Under Pressure for Targeting Catholic Extremists" would have fit without "- Leaked Document"

Even the article you quoted went straight to "Catholic Joe Biden is Targeting Catholics." You are posting right wing propaganda.



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13 Feb 2023, 9:28 pm

To say this is Anti-Catholic is ridiculous! Latin Mass, traditionalist Catholics don't represent the majority of Catholics in any way. On top of that, as a Protestant, I'd be afraid I'd be regarded as a legitimate target, along with Jews, gays, immigrants, etc. by these Latin Mass fanatics.


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14 Feb 2023, 2:42 am

I am Catholic but nothing in that article suggests anyone was targeting me. And, honestly, I am well aware that radical adherents to any religion, including mine, are a danger. It isn't the faith, its the radicalism, although the faith adds an element ("God's work") to the radicalism that increases the danger of it.

Catholicism is a big umbrella, and not immune from having dangerously radical factions.


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14 Feb 2023, 4:38 am

The FBI keeps an eye on extremists of every creed. And Catholicism has crazy extremists just like every other creed.

Not sure what the issue is here.



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14 Feb 2023, 5:14 am

naturalplastic wrote:
The FBI keeps an eye on extremists of every creed. And Catholicism has crazy extremists just like every other creed.

Not sure what the issue is here.


It provides a pretext for the political right to attack Biden and the left. And unfortunately, there will be people who will eat up the idea that liberals are attacking all Catholics.


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14 Feb 2023, 8:46 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
naturalplastic wrote:
The FBI keeps an eye on extremists of every creed. And Catholicism has crazy extremists just like every other creed.

Not sure what the issue is here.


It provides a pretext for the political right to attack Biden and the left. And unfortunately, there will be people who will eat up the idea that liberals are attacking all Catholics.


That, of course, is the problem. Did I read it right that they already got the FBI to cancel whatever program those notes were from?


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14 Feb 2023, 9:19 pm

DW_a_mom wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
naturalplastic wrote:
The FBI keeps an eye on extremists of every creed. And Catholicism has crazy extremists just like every other creed.

Not sure what the issue is here.


It provides a pretext for the political right to attack Biden and the left. And unfortunately, there will be people who will eat up the idea that liberals are attacking all Catholics.


That, of course, is the problem. Did I read it right that they already got the FBI to cancel whatever program those notes were from?

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Upon learning of the document, FBI Headquarters quickly began taking action to remove the document from FBI systems and conduct a review of the basis for the document," the statement added.


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14 Feb 2023, 11:09 pm

DW_a_mom wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
naturalplastic wrote:
The FBI keeps an eye on extremists of every creed. And Catholicism has crazy extremists just like every other creed.

Not sure what the issue is here.


It provides a pretext for the political right to attack Biden and the left. And unfortunately, there will be people who will eat up the idea that liberals are attacking all Catholics.


That, of course, is the problem. Did I read it right that they already got the FBI to cancel whatever program those notes were from?


It's very sad when fanatics can force sane people and sane institutions to bend to their will.


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16 Feb 2023, 10:53 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
DW_a_mom wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
naturalplastic wrote:
The FBI keeps an eye on extremists of every creed. And Catholicism has crazy extremists just like every other creed.

Not sure what the issue is here.


It provides a pretext for the political right to attack Biden and the left. And unfortunately, there will be people who will eat up the idea that liberals are attacking all Catholics.


That, of course, is the problem. Did I read it right that they already got the FBI to cancel whatever program those notes were from?


It's very sad when fanatics can force sane people and sane institutions to bend to their will.


On re-read it sounds more like the FBI decided on their own, not under pressure. Hard to know with third party reporting.


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