The Mountain Gorillas are in Great Danger!

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19 Aug 2007, 2:40 pm

Do you remember Dian Fossey and Gorillas in the mist?
These are the same Gorillas that have been researched and tracked for 40 years.
There are less than 700 remaining Mountain Gorillas in the wild.
In the past year, 10 have been slaughtered due to politics and FOOD. Yes, Food.
People hunt Gorillas and eat them. Because these Gorillas are so used to people and trust us,
they are easy to kill. Many more left orphaned. In the past 8 months 15% of the population has been destroyed.

For more information, read my article:

How Cellphones Threaten Endangered Mountain Gorillas

Mountain Gorillas Eaten By Congolese Rebels

If you are interested in these issues, there is a new website called "Youth Ape Network" that is looking for volunteers.
This info is in this thread



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19 Aug 2007, 2:55 pm

Raise them on farms and make them taste like chicken. When enviro-wackos decided that people should not privately own animals, they turned it into a game that the animals will only lose.



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19 Aug 2007, 2:58 pm

mmm gorilla bacon



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19 Aug 2007, 3:06 pm

Remnent I have no idea what you are talking about.
Apparently they taste better than chicken.
Theres a difference between a wack environmentalist trying to save a few chickens,
and educated people wanting to save an intelligent, beautiful species from extinction.



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19 Aug 2007, 3:14 pm

mysticaria wrote:
Remnent I have no idea what you are talking about.
Apparently they taste better than chicken.
Theres a difference between a wack environmentalist trying to save a few chickens,
and educated people wanting to save an intelligent, beautiful species from extinction.


And if I see the educated people showing some signs that they learned anything, then I will be both impressed and pleasantly surprised. So far all they know how to do is to throw millions of dollars at the problem with less than no success, and how to forbid amateurs from breeding animals and showing them up.



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19 Aug 2007, 3:26 pm

Um, what? You're still not making sense.
In primate conservation cases there have been a few success stories, which include the mountain gorillas.
If it had not been for Dian Fossey and a large number of other hard working "educated people", they would have
dissapeared a long time ago. I dont mean educated as in having a fancy piece of paper.
Your view is very vague. Many amateurs do breed endangered/exotic animals. And because they spend time with them they
are not amateurs for very long. In any case, its ridiculous to consider everyone "enviro-wackos" wasting money when you
have not done your own research.



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19 Aug 2007, 3:31 pm

You've had some successes, but you are still losing, right?

Losing more slowly is still losing.



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19 Aug 2007, 3:41 pm

This is not measured in winning or losing. There are a number of complicated variables.
Their extinction is not inevitable. If in the end, the population of individuals is smaller than viable,
it would still be worth all the fighting and effort. They do not deserve to be forgotten without a fight.



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19 Aug 2007, 4:45 pm

mysticaria wrote:
This is not measured in winning or losing. There are a number of complicated variables.
Their extinction is not inevitable. If in the end, the population of individuals is smaller than viable,
it would still be worth all the fighting and effort. They do not deserve to be forgotten without a fight.


If you're going to fight for them at all, they are a hell of a lot better off if you win. Try being practical instead of mystical.



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19 Aug 2007, 5:23 pm

Remnant is bitter because he wants to own a tiger it has nothing to do with gorillas. He blames ‘enviro-wackos’ for questioning the feasibility of this.

If he thought about it, he would think of a way how he could be involved with tigers and help them. He might think of moving to places like india, south east asia, china, russia. Or even South Africa where they have a conservation program.



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19 Aug 2007, 5:38 pm

Actually, there's other factors involved in gorilla numbers. Not as big as hunting, but still important. I heard that the Ebola virus has a tendency to affect gorillas, not to mention other primates. In fact, I think a few outbreaks were caused by people eating infected gorilla meat.

(BTW, here's my citation for the Ebola comment: http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn9 ... ebola.html)


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19 Aug 2007, 6:07 pm

0_equals_true wrote:
Remnant is bitter because he wants to own a tiger it has nothing to do with gorillas. He blames ‘enviro-wackos’ for questioning the feasibility of this.

If he thought about it, he would think of a way how he could be involved with tigers and help them. He might think of moving to places like india, south east asia, china, russia. Or even South Africa where they have a conservation program.


I blame enviro-wackos for deciding that animals raised in captivity are worthless. China has about a hundred times as many tigers in captivity as there are in the wild, and those captive animals are an extremely valuable resource for conservation. They are a tremendous success.



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19 Aug 2007, 6:16 pm

Yes, mountain gorillas can easily catch many diseases from humans. That is why when tourists or foreign researchers visit the habituated Mountain Gorilla groups they must stay back at a certain distance and never touch any of them.

Chimpanzee groups have been completely wiped out from ebola. And yeah, the general belief is that ebola transfered over to humans from eating apes. There is always a certain amount of disease that is going to affect them naturally, added to the amount due to human contact.

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I dont think environmentalists see captive animals as worthless. Certainly not people concerned with apes. I think most environmentalists value the fact that an animal should be in it's natural habitat because it has certain instincts and needs which would never allow it to be content in captivity.

Chinese people like to grind up tiger penises and eat them. And what you said is not a true fact anyway.



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19 Aug 2007, 7:59 pm

I know a lot of Chinese people, and I don't think that any of them have ever ground up and eaten a tiger penis.



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19 Aug 2007, 8:20 pm

A number of mountain Gorillas were slaughtered in one of the Kenyan reserves recently. I found that upsetting and angering.



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20 Aug 2007, 12:04 am

I'm upset and angry that a number of exotic animals are slaughtered in the United States to further the political ambitions of the animal rights groups.