In Italy, it works very well this way.
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In any case, at least in our country, when you decide on something, you don't change it out of unfounded fear.
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Why is a digital document penalizing?
I'm missing this point: I honestly don't understand it.
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In our country, identity cards were adopted in 1931, for public safety reasons.
In 1997 (so almost 29 years ago), we started with the Electronic Card.
I'd say that since 2016, the Electronic Identity Card (CIE) has been very widespread.
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It will be 10 years later: we're still alive and well, and it hasn't made us any worse. In fact, we now have the option of using it as SPID 2 (I don't know how it works in the US: I apologize for that), but SPID 1, through precise, unique authentication via email and SPID, still allows you to access any institutional website, not just via QR code, which you generate and can change as many times as you like, then renew it.
The password is different every 6 months.
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It works like a digital identity to access the online services of the Public Administration and participating private individuals, using a unique username and password. To use it, you must first choose a digital identity provider, obtain your credentials, and then, on a website or app, click "Enter with SPID" and enter your details to authenticate.
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This SPID will be replaced by the CIE, which offers superior authentication security.
At least I believe that everyone who had the remaining non-CIE cards also performed the specific authentication.
It is sent in two ways: in two parts, thus further reducing the possibility of inappropriate use.
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The purpose of the SPID 2 CIE is also to change and simplify in one way.
Now you have the option of accessing with both, and at your discretion.
But SPID 2 is more secure.
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Assuming there's something 100% secure online, and I wouldn't swear by that.
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If anything, the paradox is that we have an electronic card called Sanitaria, which contains everything about us: the European Health Insurance Card (EHIC).
Another card is an Italian one, valid everywhere in Europe.
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The fact is that the card contains a microchip, a magnetic stripe, and something that perhaps isn't required in your country: the 16-digit tax code that precisely identifies each person. The IS must be used for all interactions with institutions.
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For non-European countries that have signed a bilateral healthcare agreement with Italy, these are: Australia, Brazil, Serbia, Montenegro, Bosnia-Herzegovina, the Principality of Monaco – Monte Carlo, Macedonia, the Republic of San Marino, Argentina, Cape Verde, Vatican City, and Tunisia.
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If I need to upload a medical prescription, I can have it uploaded online by my doctor whenever I need it.
There are never any mistakes.
We also have electronic uploading of all visits, tests, and illnesses, and some are encrypted for privacy.
When I fell off my bike, I lost consciousness for a few seconds.
Then, in the emergency room, I gave a very brief description of what happened.
And the rest was on the health card: every detail useful for treatment and preventing medical errors.
After the CT scans and other medical visits, my code changed to the severity level.
Among other things, it avoided wasting time in triage.
Logically, if you go to the emergency room without a valid reason, you harm other people.
And you pay a mandatory health care fee.
Everything else is paid for by our taxes, which are very high percentages.
I wonder what's secure about the different technologies you're constantly subjected to.
A military satellite can even read your newspaper letters.
An advanced camera is very invasive of human privacy.
But we're all full of them: I can't tell you how many there are, and they're state-owned, so they protect citizens, not against them.
Is a smartphone secure in your opinion?
Is using Meta messaging secure?
Even if it's encrypted.
Is a PC secure?
Even if you install whatever is possible or use it professionally?
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Not even if you use a satellite navigator are you sure...
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In my opinion, it's very advantageous for everyone to have capabilities like the one in IT offered by the thread's author.
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If anything, the danger is the opposite.
I don't understand this.
Some things are fine but very invasive.
Others aren't good but have the same degree of potential invasiveness.
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But another thing: if your state decides to make laws, you can't disobey them.
Because that would be a crime.
Then everything works just like this: you can't even open a bank account or go to a post office; you're required by law to provide electronic identification.
Socially, you're nonexistent and can't benefit from anything, not even healthcare or a job...
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Are we using less invasive IT tools to communicate?
Because even in this case, there's no such thing as beauty.
Good and perfect, and I can choose.
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In Europe, not even in the Middle Ages could you travel to the town next to the one you lived in without a pass.
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Even a first name or a last name are invasive: they identify you.
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Sorry, but these are so many questions.
I don't want to be right.
But I don't see the danger.
I only see it as positive.
Am I wrong?
Question: is there a nation in the world that doesn't use electronic systems to understand how to manage its population?
I don't think so.
But logically, it's impossible.
Management = enforcing democratic rules for the benefit of its citizens and not against them; otherwise, obviously, we're talking about something else.
I accept differing opinions if necessary, thanks to whoever offers them.
26 Sep 2025, 5:32 pm
