Dutch Ban Sale Of Hallucinogenic Mushrooms

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Dutch Ban Sale Of Hallucinogenic Mushrooms

party-poopers

Like most hallucinogenics, when someone is ON mushies, they become supremely annoying to those who are not, but happen to be around them. Been there before, its bloody annoying.

Oh dear what a pity never mind.

Youd support a complete ban on alcohol then?

I think people should be allowed to do whatever they wish to themselves as long as a few conditions are met:

1. They must finance their substance/habit themselves. As long as they can do that, I don't care. If they commit a crime to get the $$$, then I care. Arrest them.

2. They can't go around bugging people that don't want to be bothered. That should be grounds for arrest... or a good pummeling.

3. They shall not show for work or drive under the influence--- this would be grounds for termination/DUI/arrest as it currently is with alcohol.

4. No one else is harmed by the consumption of the substance you ingested. This means you don't go out and hit/hurt people, you don't put anything in people's food or drinks... but it also means that if you have children, you don't get trashed in front of them or neglect/abuse them as a result of you getting trashed. People do this way too much with alcohol alone and it is not cool for kids to suffer. Find a family member/sitter if you plan on having a party, don't hurt the kids.

People "can" party responsibly, and some even do... punish the people for doing bad things to others. But let them do what they'd like to themselves. It's their own bodies. And there are just too many people in prison for piddly drug possession charges--- the prisons SHOULD be filled with actual criminals like thieves, robbers, murderers, rapists, child molesters and vandals. Instead they let these A-holes out early on parole so that some pot smoker can be jailed for smoking a joint. What a free country we live in!

Lol how can you ban a naturally occurring plant or fungus, ban those perverted politicians.

After selling it long enough, its attraction starts to wear off. Dunno about support it, but I dont think I'd be all that bothered if they did ban it. Theres plenty of other things get banned that I'll never miss, cause I never had them anyway.

What about smoking in pubs?

lol You cant do that in New Zealand no more haha That happened a couple years ago eh


mmm.. I still remember the days I used to sneak (so to speak) to pubs etc lol mmm... Cigg burns etc

mm.. I miss it lol haha Nah not really but everyone is learning to smoke now because thats the only place you can chat someone up lol the music is getting louder m...

Banned where you are ? (the pubs etc have special outside smoking areas here eh lol)?

Well said psych, alcohol causes far more issues than most other drugs with maybe the exeption of heroin, cocaine etc, alcohol is the reason England is going down the bog bowl, sad but true.

Smoking is banned in UK pubs, shops etc. too. Must admit, I quite like smoke-free pubs.

Smoke free pubs have their advantages: No second hand smoke for staff/punters, no ashtrays to empty for the staff, and no smoke smell.

But: Theres no smoke smell, and its amazing how many foul and repulsive odours that smell was masking, that whilst less unhealthy, are far more unpleasant. Everything from the toilets to body odour, to the smell of stale booze, and the potent aromas of various spirits such as Sambuca. (Smells like aniseed, which makes me want to hurl.) LadyM is likewise repulsed by cider odours.

In some premises - those not blessed with large carparks or beer gardens - some venues have had to do unusual things to allow for smoking areas outside. (One I've seen has a tiny yard only accessible through the outer entrance of the ladies toilets, on which all the toilets look out. Frosted windows not withstanding, the sounds and smells and glimpses are.. not good, and of course for the inveterate pervert, standing outside the ladies window would be a boon.

In other places, people are forced to gather in the street outside the doors. This leads to multiple issues..

A large crowd outside a venue will often drive away potential business amongst those of the shy persuasion (such as aspies, for example.) It can be an intimidating experience walking through a large group to enter a building.
It also tends to block off the pathways, meaning people are forced to enter the road to pass. Even with ashtrays supplied, there are always mounds of butts, making a mockery of the current drive to keep our cities clean.
In some cases, the local police will request (or the bar themselves) that drinks be left inside the premises, which means that large amounts of alchohol are left unattended for the enterprising minesweeper. (Someone who filches others beer.) A lot of these people will have been refused service anyway, but can still locate a steady supply of alchohol, which means staff have to be even more vigilant whilst working. It also facilitates the work of the dateraper, given easy access to unattended drinks. Likewise, it facilitiates underage drinking as if punters DO take drinks outside, they could very easily be handed off to under-aged drinkers who the staff may never even see.

There is also the problem of fines. The punter caught smoking inside is liable for a fine. The licensee, if he has "allowed" smoking to occur, could incur a much vaster fee. (I say "allowed" because it is all too easy to miss the fact someone is smoking whilst doing all the other work involved in running a venue.

There is also the issue of security. Venues with smoking areas now have to be vigilant across a wider area, without any extra help. I recently spotted a case of several smokers at the venue across the road from where I work, being repeatedly hassled by a pair of dubious asians (male and female) aggressively trying to foist dodgy goldwear onto them. This appeared to be an unpleasant experience for the smokers, and could have ended very badly.

Going on with the hassling theme.. previously, disparate groups of drinkers could gather in far corners of a pub and not get in each others way. NOW these groups are forced by law to gather either in small smoking areas, or on the street. This is categorically NOT a good thing when the right-wing leaning football fans are having a smoke with the black/asian/polish punters next to them. It is NOT a good thing when the goths and the metallers are forced onto the street on a saturday night, with the chavs wandering about the place. Likewise, there are many lone females forced to stand outside, and rely on the goodwill of other smokers to protect them from the leary advances of passing morons, or the ever extending vigilance of the poor bloody bar staff.

Finally, there is the issue of drugs. Drug users used to attempt to be surreptitious WITHIN the premises, which made them much easier to spot and eject. Drug users OUTSIDE but not OFF the premises can still deal, smoke, take etc, but again this occurs in much harder to spot ways, and of course, the greatest fines for this sort of thing fall to the landlord.

And thats before I even mention standing outside in all bloody weather, or being vilified as lepers and criminalised more than pedophiles and drugdealers. Want to mess with children? OO thats bad.. you're a SMOKER???? Quick.. TO THE LYNCHING TREE!! !

(Incidentally I'm not making all these things up, nor is it circumstantial or second-hand evidence. Its knowledge gained from working in a pub, and regularly gathering with various managers and publicans of various and varied venues in a large town/city.)

This is just one tiny corner of the wave of official fascism that's washing over Holland.

Are you aware it's now against the rules to speak any language other than Dutch on the street in Rotterdam? Did you know that if a non-EU person wants to stay in the Netherlands for more than 3 months, they have to take a 'cultural purity' test (at their own cost; approx. €250), including insulting questions such as "May I beat my wife in Holland?"?

The Dutch are generally mean bastards, but now it's officially supported by NL government policy.

What a bunch of crap. The war on drugs is the world's longest losing war. How stupid is it to arrest people for putting things into their own bodies.

so i am thinking of going to Rotterdam this summer, does this mean i will get inn troubel for speaking english inn the streets ?

and what the hell is a cultural purity test ?

They haven't had the balls to actually make it into law, but it's widely known as the "Rotterdam Code"; it's supported by national government, approved by the Rotterdam City Council, is currently being considered for national use, and it permits local yokels to take you aside and hassle you for speaking a foreign language.


As I said, if it looks (to them) as if you might want to stay longer than three months, they'd very much like to know you're going to "fit in". Other examples from the test: When your neighbor gives birth, is it correct to a) bring flowers b) send a card, or c) bring food? (Correct answer is apparently a)).

It's pure BS, meant by the local xenophobes to stem the tide of Turks and Moroccans (aka: "brown folk") from spoiling dear Holland.

So dies the myth of Dutch tolerance and open-mindedness...

ow yes cuase giveing the new parents a cake or a card or go forbid both that be a terribel sin

and locale yokels thats like thugs ??

Skinheads and the like; there are quite a few here. But your average 'man on the street' here is pretty xenophobic as well.