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Irulan
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16 Nov 2007, 8:49 pm

Is was absolutely disgraceful, you could see in the video that he was just frightened - he was having a panic attack!

He was a Polish man who lived on an isolated farm and it was his first time in a foreign country, in a strange and noisy airport where no one spoke his language. He couldn't find his mother - he was supposed to meet her at the airport. You hear people in the tape say that he might be speaking Russian (Polish and Russian sound a bit similar to English speakers).

In Canada they have the death penalty for panic attacks!



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16 Nov 2007, 9:09 pm

There are no words for that video. I am beyond disgusted.



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16 Nov 2007, 10:42 pm

This is sad, I hope the police are fully investigated for this.


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17 Nov 2007, 1:45 am

Well, it is tragic, seems due to a miss understanding this man is now dead.

To be honest, he did seem like he was acting bizzar, police must protect themselfs, the suspect and the public, tasers are supposedly harmless, tho some die from them unfortunatly. I really dont have an opinion as to whether the police acted appropriatly or not, but I know I would not be causing a scene in an airport, if their is a problem their are other ways of going about it, so that leads me to conclude that perhapse the man suffered from mental problems and thats why he acted out.

I definatly want to hear about what they discover in the coming days.


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18 Nov 2007, 2:59 pm

His mother should have had written some short notes in English for him, just in case, so as he could show it to people at the airport - you know, something like: "My name is Robert Dziekanski. I don't speak English. I'm from Poland. My mother's adress is ...". And so on.

It's hard to hear what he's speaking (in the beginning, especially) but he warned them that he'd destroy the door and the case (well, here he used a vulgar counterpart of destroying but I don't know the English word for it), a bit later he's informing them to "go out from him" and that he'd "bring an accusation against them".



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19 Nov 2007, 8:50 am

I find it interesting that it were reported that he was sweating lots. Is it possible he was having a preliminary heart attack, not uncommon from flights - thrombosis etc.

He was acting in a strange manner, but the police also acted bizarrely with 3 men approaching an obviously distressed person, surrounding him in an aggressive manner.

With taser victims, I presume they must get them medical attention immediately anyway given the fact they have suffered a severe incapacitating shock, and in a first aid situation you would get them straight onto a heart monitor.



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20 Nov 2007, 12:41 am

I find that many law enforcment officers are poorly trained to handle situations as this but to be fair I'm trying to view this from their prospective:

00:35 - Holds table in threatening manner
00:55 - Starts throwing objects
02:09 - Made a threatening movement at officer
02:11 - Subject Tazed
02:30 - Resisting and/or Assaulting an officer

While I don't like how it ended I think the officers had no choice and used appropriate force.


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20 Nov 2007, 4:53 am

I think that Tasering should be illegal.



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20 Nov 2007, 5:32 am

Ok, then he would of just been shot. Its that simple.


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20 Nov 2007, 10:23 pm

No. Tasering is sick. It hurts people. it's wrong, it's almost worse then guns. he wasn't doing anything WRONG!



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21 Nov 2007, 3:53 pm

I saw this the day after it happened. What a tragedy. How utterly sad and cruel. He clearly was freaking out - I could so understand where he was coming from. Yeah it must've been a panic attack. Poor man. And those bloody cops. SOB's. No compassion. No understanding. No nothing. They're like evil children with a new toy. And now they get to use it at whim.

What a sorry state of the world this is. BAN THE TASER!! !! No more killings! RIP man. RIP.



Diamonddavej wrote:
Is was absolutely disgraceful, you could see in the video that he was just frightened - he was having a panic attack!

He was a Polish man who lived on an isolated farm and it was his first time in a foreign country, in a strange and noisy airport where no one spoke his language. He couldn't find his mother - he was supposed to meet her at the airport. You hear people in the tape say that he might be speaking Russian (Polish and Russian sound a bit similar to English speakers).

In Canada they have the death penalty for panic attacks!


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21 Nov 2007, 3:55 pm

<weighing>
One crappy PC vs one precious human being.

Nope. They fd up. Big time.



TheZach wrote:
I find that many law enforcment officers are poorly trained to handle situations as this but to be fair I'm trying to view this from their prospective:

00:35 - Holds table in threatening manner
00:55 - Starts throwing objects
02:09 - Made a threatening movement at officer
02:11 - Subject Tazed
02:30 - Resisting and/or Assaulting an officer

While I don't like how it ended I think the officers had no choice and used appropriate force.


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21 Nov 2007, 4:21 pm

ShadesOfMe wrote:
I think that Tasering should be illegal.


Really? I think it's much safer and more humane than shooting people or clubbing them to unconsciousness. That's part of why this is such a big story, taser deaths are a rarity.

Should the cops have tasered this guy? Heck no, I think they should have gotten a translator first. I mean, how hard is it to stand there and wait, surrounding him, while they wait for a dude who speaks his language to show up? THE GUY CAN'T UNDERSTAND "PUT YOUR HANDS ON THE TABLE," OFFIZIEREN.



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22 Nov 2007, 2:47 pm

After Robert's horrific death by taser - someone has started a petition online to get the Canadian government to ban ALL tasers. Have a look and maybe you want to sign.


http://www.gopetition.com/petitions/ban-taser-guns.html


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23 Nov 2007, 4:08 pm

In most circumstances, tasering leaves no long-lasting effects other than a dislike of tasers. I know that most of the police in my area get tasered themselves as a part of their training, and they accept it as well. A few people react badly to the taser, though--- could he have been having that heart attack and the taser was just too much? Who knows?
The only other alternatives would be to:

1. take him down by force. This can also result in injury, to him and to the personnel as well.

2. take him down by armed weapon, which is usually much worse than a taser.

3. do nothing and risk the well-being of multiple passengers.

4. Try and find a translator while the man in question is being a possible danger ( and precious time elapses).

5. Evacuate the immediate area, which may not be feasible depending on where your travelers must be evacuated to and how many there might be.

There are many solutions, none of which seem to be any good. There is also the fear at airports these days--- the police had to make a decision and quickly. They don't always have time to think about what will happen in 5 minutes or 10... it's a sad end result, anyway.
Panic attacks are no fun, i know. They will have to do a detailed autopsy to make certain this was what was happening as opposed to a heart ailment ( which might cause panic, confusion and sweating, too) or some other issue.