Women's rights activist beheaded in Iraq

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19 Dec 2008, 8:28 am

once again someone has been killed for doing the right thing.


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19 Dec 2008, 8:57 am

That's horrible. :evil:



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19 Dec 2008, 11:28 am

A nation of idiots topic

Revere the shoe thrower and murder someone who cares about half of Iraq's citizens. This is a nation in decline. I do not know why the US wasted time in such a country.


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19 Dec 2008, 11:29 am

A woman's rights activist in Iraq? Seriously, what did she think was going to happen? Seriously! This is why I cringe whenever I see CNN's Christine Amanpour doing a one-on-on interview with some camel-jockey. Watch out Christine! You're in extreme personal danger! :o 8O



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19 Dec 2008, 11:45 am

slowmutant wrote:
A woman's rights activist in Iraq? Seriously, what did she think was going to happen?


It has to start somewhere.
Women's rights are greater in North America thanks to activist speaking up, it wasn't easy, but it paid off.

If women keep quiet and live in fear, this woman's death will be in vain. I am sure she knew the risks, but she was also aware that the risks where worth it.


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19 Dec 2008, 12:15 pm

How do you help anybody by getting your head chopped off by savages?



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19 Dec 2008, 12:22 pm

slowmutant wrote:
How do you help anybody by getting your head chopped off by savages?


That's like saying how did Martin Luther King Jr. help anybody by getting assassinated?

King fought for civil rights, and even though he was killed, his message lived on and his death wasn't in vain.

So you are saying this woman died for nothing, that she should have just shut up and sat back? A small drop in a pond can cause large ripples.... remember that.
This woman knew the risks in what she was doing and died for something she believed in.

Think before you speak slowmutant.


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19 Dec 2008, 12:32 pm

You're right. I'm just upset and frusrated about this kind of thing in general. Human savagery, man's inhumanity to man. Some cultures seem to have inherent babarism and blood-thirst.

I just hope she was prepared to die when they executed her...



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19 Dec 2008, 12:42 pm

Poor woman. Over simplification I suppose... but sometimes I wonder why we still ask 'why' crap like this should happen. :(



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19 Dec 2008, 12:56 pm

The woman's rights activitist who was killed for what she believed in ... now THAT is a martyr. False martyrs blow themslves up every day in the hopes of afterlife nookie, but to selflessly lay down your life with no thought of personal gain ....

No one in the Middle East seems to know what a martyr is. Hopefully they will remember true heroism, true sacrifice, true selflessness and true valour.



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19 Dec 2008, 2:39 pm

Chibi_Neko wrote:
slowmutant wrote:
A woman's rights activist in Iraq? Seriously, what did she think was going to happen?


It has to start somewhere.
Women's rights are greater in North America thanks to activist speaking up, it wasn't easy, but it paid off.


Whoa! There is a world of difference between how the US treated women prior to suffrage and how Iraq treats women today. We didn't behead women who marched for the right to vote. So comparitively, yes, our country's women had it slightly easier. If you are not a hetero-Iraqi male you are essentially property or (in this case) refuse to be disposed of.



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19 Dec 2008, 3:00 pm

NocturnalQuilter wrote:
We didn't behead women who marched for the right to vote.

No, but we did hang blacks that did it.

Not officially of course, but this wasn't done officially either.


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19 Dec 2008, 3:25 pm

And once again the real issue goes unmentioned.

Would they be doing this if not for the teachings of men claiming divine inspiration?



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19 Dec 2008, 3:31 pm

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And once again the real issue goes unmentioned.
Would they be doing this if not for the teachings of men claiming divine inspiration?


Huh?



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20 Dec 2008, 8:17 pm

oh for heaven's sake! sorry, but women were treated a lot better than Iraqi woman. 'Officially', the Baath party said that women were equal to men, and women were allowed to do a lot of jobs they're not allowed to do today Actually, the current situation is a bit of a backlash against the 'socialist' nature of the former regime. There's a lot of things being done today that are being done by fanatics done in the 'name' of Islam.

Prior to sufferage, there were a host of outspoken women. One tactic in both England and the US (what, you think we were the only nation like that?...;) was to chain themselves to buildings, etc. I doubt that would work in iraq; the fundamentalists would rather blow up a building than brook opposition. Even when women in pre-sufferage US weren't working as much for sufferage as other causes (you should see what Carrie Nation could do to a saloon with an axe and a little time...;) they still didnt' get hung or shot (maybe committed, but psychology was in it's infancy).

Today, a dozen years after the first Gulf War, the Arabian women who tried to drive are still unemployed, shunned, and watched by the religious police. Forgiveness and forgetfulness don't come easy in that part of the world.