Teacher suspended after assault on pupils

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Article: Teacher faces ruin after assault case

I'd never be a teacher. But I read this article with great interest. In a position of authority there was no excuse for the teacher, Mr Barile, to use any physical force on pupils but I also understand he was only human and you can only take so much.

This is a more extreme case but shows what things CAN be like for teachers or other adults. A manifestation that is just as common is antisocial behaviour in our communities and kids know they can get away with a lot against adults. Too often adults can't control them because of their rights, because they take advantage of that and have a lot of protections because of the nanny state we live in. It can be catastrophic for adults living with this - single Aspies with the vulnerabilities they often have can be particularly affected so I feel this is particularly topical.

While the physical altercations were unfortunate, they don't sound out of line to me.
Children - particularly teens- can learn to exploit the desparity between their "rights" and the abilities of the adults who supervise them.
I think the teacher in question was in a no-win situation: Do nothing and forever lose the respect his position should afford him. Do something and get admonished for it.
In this case, two children are responsible for potentially destroying a career and nothing will be done to them.
This is a very extreme but real example of why I distrust kids and avoid them at all costs.

awww... but i'm an ok teen, right?

I think the kids were out of order, but the teacher still shouldn't have reacted like that. However, I think it's ridiculous when kids are allowed to physically abuse adults and the adults aren't allowed to defend themselves.

There's a dinnerlady at my school who pushes and hits people, but the teachers don't believe anyone about her. It happened to my friend Laura, we all saw it with our own eyes, but when we reported it the teacher accused us of lying, probably just cos that teacher hates us. And apparently they checked the CCTV and they didn't see anything, so I'm getting suspicious. What's the point of Orwellian surveillance cameras everywhere if they can't even see an incident as well as a human eye?!?!

I remember when my brother was in middle school, there was a student who just would NOT stop disrupting and being rude, and the teacher freaked out, started screaming and threw one of those metal school chairs at the boy.


I think these kids are just disrespectful, and rude. The Teacher shouldn't ahve acted like he did, but I can see why he would have snapped.

Extreme, but common in the UK where do-gooders and liberals have created a situation where kids can do exactly what they want with few consequences for their actions. Over here kids are allowed to intimidate familes in their home, they can verbally abuse you, threaten to physically assault you, damage your car, even put incendiary devices through your door with impunity. The police aren't interested. They will be very interested, however, if you try and protect yourself, in which case you'll be considered an "abuser". Even if parents administer physical punishment to their own wayward brats, then a single bruise can lead to the same outcome: house ransacked by the police, DNA samples taken, hours of questioning, and criminal prosecution.

Best advice is don't have kids, and stay well away from the kids of others.

Of course, the solution to our society's woes is very simple: strict discipline in schools, including corporal punishment. Parents should also be allowed -- even encouraged -- to beat their kids as they see fit, as long as they don't break bones, or cause permanent physical damage.

I sympathise with him as my own political science lecturer suffered from physical abuse at college. He's one of the most brilliant men I've met in my life, and deserves a lot of respect for all his achievements, not something like this.

Verbal abuse too. My English lecturer is very strict, and people curse her for this. However, she's actually a very nice person and invited me as well as a friend for her Christmas celebration.

We must learn to show almost as much respect as the Chinese do to their teachers. When it comes to their culture, they show the highest respect for teachers.

Peace.

even thought i disagree with teachers being able to hit or abuse children i do think when pupils get to a certain age certain measures should be taken to keep them under control, i once read that a woman bit a child at a playgroup because hit bit another kid there and meant it as an act to show 'empathy' which i think is sick and taking it way too far whereas a teacher grabbing a fifteen year old or holding them against a wall for abusing them or another student shouldn't be taken as a serious problem.

when teenagers cause a problem for teachers they most probably cause problems for other students as well, in my oppinion a good slap could do the world of good in some cases.

Most students carry their own surveillance gear with them.. camera phones. Try filming some time perhaps?

CCTV has its flaws as it tends to film in low quality, and crap frame rate. Fast motions can be missed completely, and actions that seem severe in person dont look so bad from a higher angle.

On the OP: Kids younger than this have killed people with little or no provocation in the UK. They have no fear of discipline or retribution. Its why I never became a teacher, despite that being a much vaunted job at the time.

The teacher AND the kids are at fault. First of all, a teacher should be taught how to handle difficult situations like that in the classroom. Second though, it all goes back to the parents. If parents actually raised their kids the kids would know right from wrong a little better.

Reminds me of a Panorama documentary from 1994 which was about the number of adults killed by children the previous year - the number was ten. It was striking that two out of the ten were in the small town of Maryport. Possibly the same kids, I can't remember, but Maryport was a very deprived place where antisocial behaviour was particularly rampant.

Don't think any of the ten were teachers, they were mostly old people living in communities where they were harassed by kids.

I felt the thread was relevant partly because of this sort of thing. I felt it was also relevant to the issues faced by those Aspies, especially male, who live alone. If their theory of mind and use of non-verbal behaviours are weak enough that can be a problem and can be identified by kids who as posters have already discussed, can exploit such social loopholes with impunity.

I would support a return to legalised corporal punishment. If adults are harassed by kids, then it will usually be because the adult is vulnerable in some way. Well, a few short sharp shocks cannot possibly traumatise the lives of the kids, any more than the lives of vulnerable adults (Aspies can likely fall into that category but they will not necessarily be an Aspie) can be left traumatised for long periods by kids running amok with impunity.

i believe corporal punishment is wrong and should never return, i remember watching a film when i was very young about a school during the war and in the film two boys started fighting and the victim got the better of the other, a teacher saw it and started canning the victim who later died from his injuries. i remember that film very clearly and thst might be one of the reasons why my views are so strong as it seemed to affect me greatly.

i do believe however that teachers should be taught about pressure points and certain hold they can do which are legal, also the situation should be taken into consideration otherwise the case should rightfully fall apart.
if a teacher handsout a detention he can't legally keep the children kin the room and if they go to walk out they can push past him but he can't even touch them. where's the authority? if the kids can get away with everything whilst they're young they'll most likley turn into lawless scum as they don't know any better, but then again it does seem to be the less intelligent who act out at school against the teachers and pupils who don't deserve it.