Scientists plan to ignite tiny man-made star

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28 Dec 2008, 1:21 am

8O

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It is science’s star experiment: an attempt to create an artificial sun on earth — and provide an answer to the world’s impending energy shortage.


amazing. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/scienceandte ... -star.html



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28 Dec 2008, 1:37 am

Nuclear fusion, yeah!


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28 Dec 2008, 3:11 am

So it's basically just them taking a Tokamak's torus shape and trying it out in a sphere?



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28 Dec 2008, 2:27 pm

10,000 times the energy generated in the United States released into a 32 foot chamber. This is big!

I propose we name it, The Livermore National Memorial Crater.



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28 Dec 2008, 2:29 pm

oh, I thought someone had plugged in the Hadron Collider backwards...;)



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28 Dec 2008, 11:33 pm

Nothing to see here, move along.


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30 Dec 2008, 9:48 am

I guess that story is probably going to start another end-of-the-world rumour again. :roll:
No though, but seriously, I hope it works because it would be amazing.


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30 Dec 2008, 10:05 am

Actually, this has been done since the early 50's, however those stars were designed to go nova nanoseconds after they were created.

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30 Dec 2008, 2:25 pm

Yes, I remember reading about this a few years ago. I glad to hear they've managed to develop all the things they need to make this work. Should be interesting to see how this goes.


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30 Dec 2008, 11:46 pm

As Fogman points out, stars without mass for containment expand rapidly.

It is also the nature of stars to expand later in their life cycle.

From Mars ours looks like another star, it is that small, but when it turns red it will eat Mars.

32 foot does not sound large to me. 16 foot from the star to the wall.

That is the proportion of ours to Mars.

These are Scientists, they are known for not being very smart. Intelligence will do that.

I understand the problem, create something that under imense pressure, and energy flips the switch.

10,000 times the energy generated by the US, in a speck which will be millions of degrees, and 16 foot from the wall.

5,200 degrees is enough to vaporize most things we know. Enough heat, steel, concrete, you name it, will burn, it all has a flash temp.

It is not going to produce Kilowatts of electric power, it will release cosmic waves, which nothing can contain. Mostly it will produce heat.

Things like this get announced when faith in the government is at a low. Not we are ready to test, but maybe in a year.

Science tests first, then publishes, this sounds like progaganda. Free electric power, and pie in the sky, and we will cure Autism.

As they said, it is all done with mirrors, and smoke I think.



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31 Dec 2008, 12:32 am

Did they even think about how hot that would be? Yeah, end of energy needs and also end of that side of the earth.


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01 Jan 2009, 3:12 am

I would inform them, but it is only California, so it is for the best.



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01 Jan 2009, 11:29 am

Mosse wrote:
Did they even think about how hot that would be? Yeah, end of energy needs and also end of that side of the earth.

You're kidding, right?


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01 Jan 2009, 6:47 pm

Inventor wrote:
I propose we name it, The Livermore National Memorial Crater.


You mean, the Entire West Coast National Memorial Crater. :wink:


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01 Jan 2009, 7:49 pm

ShadesOfMe wrote:
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It is science’s star experiment: an attempt to create an artificial sun on earth — and provide an answer to the world’s impending energy shortage.


amazing. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/scienceandte ... -star.html


Ho hum. Yet another attempt at contrulled fusion. If they can't pull enough energy out of a fusion reaction to sustain it, it will fizzle. This has happened to every other attempt to get sustained energy (and thereby power) from a fusion reactor.

Controlled fusion has been 25 years in the future for the last 50 years and I have no doubt it will be 25 years in the future another hundred years from now.

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01 Jan 2009, 9:29 pm

Justifying their funding for a new administration.

Will build weapons for food has not been working,

We have 25,000 Atomic Bombs, our enemies throw rocks, and are winning.

Atomic Energy has lasted, we still have all the radioactive waste ever made, mostly in outdoor ponds.

No one has ever figured out how to get rid of it. Atomic Power, now and forever.

Atomic power plants are the same problem, most are older than their planned life, for the cost of decommishioning them is 100 times their building cost plus all power produced. As no one wants to pay, they just keep extending the License.

The Navy has a storage yard for the reactors from ships and subs, where they will be stored for several hundred thousand years.

The power plants are much larger, and no one wants them, the Navy reactors could be kept in one piece, as built, but the plants were cast in place from concrete and rebar. Imagine Three Mile Island whole, moving down the Interstate to storage.

The best plan is Chernoble, encase it in barium concrete, wait several hundred thousand years. The Private Owners do not want to pay.

It is not like reactor chambers can be rebuilt, it is hot, and set in concrete, and getting crisp with atomic fire for twenty five years or longer.

No new plants have been built since Three mile Island had a little problem. The AEC is getting strict, they now demand a waste plan, and how you are going to dispose of it at the end of it's life.

Fusion would make all plants worthless, instantly obsolete. That goes for coal and oil fired, dams, and all of the mining and manufacturing built around them. That is a good deal larger than the auto industry.

One fusion plant could power the world. For that kind of power everyone involved would wind up dead.

"Errant nuke accidently vaporizes Livermore!"

When Bush came to power, or the one before, it was Anti-Matter, endless free energy. They started digging a hole in Texas, never got any magnets built, out of thousands needed, and it just died. Dick Cheney favored the oil option, much easier to loot. That might be what got Bush elected, or maybe it was his wisdom and charisma.

Did someone foolishly run on a platform of funding other energy sources?

Am I the only one who notices that the War Babies bought enough stock to control all public corporations, more than the outstanding stock, and their investments were sold, and the funds invested in Mortgage Backed Securities, so rich people with friends in Washington would stay rich people with friends in Washington, and in control of all corporations?

This bailout is about paying for the stock they sold long ago. That is why it is a secret.

When the government says it is too complicated to explain to the people, they should be given a chance to, before a Judge.