Muslims march over cartoons of the Prophet

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04 Nov 2005, 2:34 pm

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Muslims march over cartoons of the Prophet
By Kate Connolly in Berlin
(Filed: 04/11/2005)

A Danish experiment in testing "the limits of freedom of speech" has backfired - or succeeded spectacularly - after newspaper cartoons of the Prophet Mohammed provoked an outcry.

Thousands of Muslims have taken to the streets in protest at the caricatures, the newspaper that published them has received death threats and two of its cartoonists have been forced into hiding.

Anders Fogh Rasmussen called the cartoons a 'necessary provocation'
Jyllands-Posten, Denmark's leading daily, defied Islam's ban on images of the Prophet by printing cartoons by 12 different artists.

In one he is depicted as a sabre-wielding terrorist accompanied by women in burqas, in another his turban appears to be a bomb and in a third he is portrayed as a schoolboy by a blackboard.

The ambassadors of 11 Muslim countries called on Anders Fogh Rasmussen, the prime minister, to take "necessary steps" against the "defamation of Islam".

But Mr Rasmussen, the head of a centre-Right minority coalition dependent for its survival on support from an anti-foreigner party, called the cartoons a "necessary provocation" and refused to act.

"I will never accept that respect for a religious stance leads to the curtailment of criticism, humour and satire in the press," he said.

The Danish debate over how to integrate Muslims has raged for years, with nursery school menus and women-only opening hours for swimming pools particular battlegrounds. But the cartoons satirising the Prophet have injected a dangerous new element into the controversy.

"This is a pubescent demonstration of freedom of expression that consciously and totally without reason has trampled over the feelings of many people," said Uffe Ellemann Jensen, a former foreign minister and member of Mr Rasmussen's party.

Carsten Juste, the editor of Jyllands-Posten, spurned demands that he apologise, saying he "would not dream" of saying sorry.

"To demand that we take religious feelings into consideration is irreconcilable with western democracy and freedom of expression," he said. "This doesn't mean that we want to insult any Muslims."

Juste commissioned the cartoons after learning of the difficulties a children's writer, Kare Bluitgen, had in finding an illustrator for his book on the Koran and the Prophet's life. Bluitgen said all the artists he approached feared the wrath of Muslims if they drew images of Mohammed.

Many cited the murder of the Dutch filmmaker Theo Van Gogh by an Islamist as a reason for refusal.

Juste said he wanted to counter growing "self censorship" and see how many cartoonists would be "bold enough" to draw the Prophet.

One artist, Franz Füchsel, said he intended no offence. "But I live in 2005, not 905 and I use my quill in the way that Danish law allows me."

Ayaan Hirsi Ali, the Dutch MP famous for her criticism of Islam and author of the screenplay for Mr Van Gogh's film Submission, supported the paper. "It's necessary to taunt Muslims on their relationship with Mohammed," she said.

"Otherwise we will never have the dialogue we need to establish with Muslims on the most central question: 'Do you really feel that every Muslim in 2005 should follow the way of life the Prophet had 1,400 years ago, as the Koran dictates?' "



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04 Nov 2005, 3:02 pm

A strong faith does not whine. It does not bully. It does not seek special favors. It spreads enlightenment and peace, not ignorance and violence.



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04 Nov 2005, 3:12 pm

The fact that there are inflamatory cartoons is great. Islam leaders will call for outcry over the small and mediocre just to button their stance as a powerful leader (or teller). why would someone make a fuss about an opinionated cartoon? because the opinion differs from their own. no lions, no sheep, no pride, no fuss :?:



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04 Nov 2005, 4:11 pm

Are there any links to the pictures?



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04 Nov 2005, 4:52 pm

Sean wrote:
Are there any links to the pictures?


http://www.jp.dk/english_news/artikel:aid=3306572/



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04 Nov 2005, 9:18 pm

There is practically nothing in the Koran about Mohammed - he is hardly mentioned. There is no evidence that he was known to early Islam until 691 ad - 60 years after his death. Mohammed was "imposed" upon Islam early in the 8th century.

Islam without Mohammed would be a far better faith than it is.

Islam, as it is today, is based upon politically inspired machinations by "expansionists".

The Islamic literature outside the Koran is, to a great extent, the work of people who "gave lip-service" to the truth.

Mohammed is not a role-model that the world should tolerate ... unless one thinks that executing prisoners by the hundred because they refused to convert and taking 9 year old girls as wives is "holy".

I'm not a Christian - but did Jesus kill anybody? Did Buddha kill anybody?

One Islamic scholar I respect says that the mainstream Islamic religions' interpretation of the Koran is "Satanic".

The followers of Mohammed corrupted what was at its origins a sophisticated and benevolent movement.

The history of Islam, as it is generally understood, is a tissue of lies.

Conflict between Islam and the rest of the world is inevitable when the world's economy goes "on the blink" (which it might do soon if Bird Flu turns out to be as bad as some predict).



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04 Nov 2005, 9:49 pm

It's scary when a humorless bunch of people moves into the neighborhood and tells you how they want the neighborhood to run. It's scarier when they believe in the death penalty for "blasphemy" against their religious icons, and want to dictate to you how to talk about them.



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05 Nov 2005, 1:21 am

Remnant wrote:
It's scary when a humorless bunch of people moves into the neighborhood and tells you how they want the neighborhood to run. It's scarier when they believe in the death penalty for "blasphemy" against their religious icons, and want to dictate to you how to talk about them.

Those are the kinds of people we are fighting the War on Terror over. We don't act like they want, and other countries like our culture over theirs (the Arabs), so they try to bomb us. As for those Danish neighborhoods, the city leaders should say that the muslims can either put up with Christian holidays, western dress, getting satirized a little, and mixed bathing, or they can go back to whatever dump of a wannabe country they came from, starve, get shot at, and risk getting their asses kicked by the secret police.



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05 Nov 2005, 1:46 am

I think Muslims of Islam need to grow-up ab-it. This is the Kingdom of Denmark a Constitutional Monarchy with a Parliamentary Democracy. Where people have curtain rights, they might not be what the Muslims would like to see portrayed but they are living there. Though all should respect each other though some times these things will come up in such a country.

I am Myself am getting tried when the Muslims get so up set about such things, but when they portray Us in some derogatory way they laugh and think they are smart.

So they shoul shut up ab-it I think. They are no better than We are.


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05 Nov 2005, 11:16 am

I think you are all anti muslim racists who are repeating propaganda.

If you were talking about black people, we would need to put some KKK hoods on you.



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05 Nov 2005, 2:01 pm

Happeh, when a religion dictates that people behave in a dictatorial and paranoid manner, and dictates that the rest of us call it shinola, there is a problem that has nothing to do with any kind of bigotry, except perhaps from their side. Because they want to act like bigots, we should be called bigots if we think that is wrong and we don't want to obey their rules? Is Christianity the only religion whose members can be called bigoted? The Muslim world hasn't exactly been free of genocidal practices either.

Some of these old religious rules are things that we simply have to get over. They were wrong on the face of them when they demanded torture and death for minor offenses. Threatening people with death for producing depictions of the Prophet is criminal. We would call it criminal today if someone sold his daughter as a wife when she was 13 years old, but even Christian religious law still says that's legal. We also, thank the secular world, finally call it criminal to murder gay men, and that is part of Old Testament law.

Growing up means that we must abandon the teachings of madmen from four thousand years ago and drag ourselves kicking and screaming into a more modern age. I don't even know that Levitican law was useful back then except to keep people fearful that they would be murdered if they left the group of bandits that they were wandering around with. It's still the same deal. They still say that people will die if they leave the church, but they call it a "spiritual death." If that is the case, then why did I feel my spirit dying when I went to church?



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05 Nov 2005, 3:39 pm

Happeh wrote:
I think you are all anti muslim racists who are repeating propaganda.

If you were talking about black people, we would need to put some KKK hoods on you.


The Koran can be understood in much greater depth if one abandons the propaganda that it was "transmitted" through Mohammed. Koranic writings existed before Mohammed. The Muslim world needs to "open-up" and debate, discuss, research its origins - but the "violent" element within its midst would have things otherwise.



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05 Nov 2005, 6:05 pm

Happeh wrote:
I think you are all anti muslim racists who are repeating propaganda.

If you were talking about black people, we would need to put some KKK hoods on you.
It not that with me but I think that in a democratic country certain things are going to happen right or wrong there going to happen. I think the Muslims took it to personal. They do some times attack Us in these ways. You don't see Us demonstrating like they did do You. That is the point I was trying to make.


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05 Nov 2005, 7:18 pm

Happeh wrote:
I think you are all anti muslim racists who are repeating propaganda.

If you were talking about black people, we would need to put some KKK hoods on you.

Muslim isn't a race ;)



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05 Nov 2005, 9:32 pm

Remnant wrote:
Happeh, when a religion dictates that people behave in a dictatorial and paranoid manner, and dictates that the rest of us call it shinola, there is a problem that has nothing to do with any kind of bigotry, except perhaps from their side.


Why is Islam different from other religions?

If you want to push the issue, I will post some very disgusting pieces from other religions for you to defend.