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28 Mar 2009, 6:36 am

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U.N. body adopts resolution on religious defamation

GENEVA (Reuters) - A United Nations forum on Thursday passed a resolution condemning "defamation of religion" as a human rights violation, despite wide concerns that it could be used to justify curbs on free speech in Muslim countries.

The U.N. Human Rights Council adopted the non-binding text, proposed by Pakistan on behalf of Islamic states, with a vote of 23 states in favor and 11 against, with 13 abstentions.

Western governments and a broad alliance of activist groups have voiced dismay about the religious defamation text, which adds to recent efforts to broaden the concept of human rights to protect communities of believers rather than individuals.

Pakistan, speaking for the 56-nation Organization of the Islamic Conference (OIC), said a "delicate balance" had to be struck between freedom of expression and respect for religions.

The resolution said Muslim minorities had faced intolerance, discrimination and acts of violence since the September 11, 2001, attacks on the United States, including laws and administrative procedures that stigmatize religious followers.

"Defamation of religious is a serious affront to human dignity leading to a restriction on the freedom of their adherents and incitement to religious violence," the adopted text read, adding that "Islam is frequently and wrongly associated with human rights violations and terrorism."

It called on states to ensure that religious places, sites, shrines and symbols are protected, to reinforce laws "to deny impunity" for those exhibiting intolerance of ethnic and religious minorities, and "to take all possible measures to promote tolerance and respect for all religions and beliefs."

ISLAMOPHOBIA, CHRISTIANOPHOBIA, ANTI-SEMITISM

The 47-member Human Rights Council has drawn criticism for reflecting mainly the interests of Islamic and African countries, which when voting together can control its agenda.

Addressing the body, Germany said on behalf of the European Union that while instances of Islamophobia, Christianophobia, anti-Semitism and other forms of religious discrimination should be taken seriously, it was "problematic to reconcile the notion of defamation (of religion) with the concept of discrimination."

"The European Union does not see the concept of defamation of religion as a valid one in a human rights discourse," it said. "The European Union believes that a broader, more balanced and thoroughly rights-based text would be best suited to address the issues underlying this draft resolution."

India and Canada also took to the floor of the Geneva-based Council to raise objections to the OIC text. Both said the text looked too narrowly at the discrimination issue.

"It is individuals who have rights, not religions," Ottawa's representative told the body. "Canada believes that to extend (the notion of) defamation beyond its proper scope would jeopardize the fundamental right to freedom of expression, which includes freedom of expression on religious subjects."

A separate, EU-sponsored resolution about religious discrimination is due to be discussed by the Council on Friday.

Earlier this week, 180 secular, religious and media groups from around the world urged diplomats to reject the resolution which they said "may be used in certain countries to silence and intimidate human rights activists, religious dissenters and other independent voices" and ultimately restrict freedoms.

Condemnation of defamation of religion had been included in a draft declaration being prepared for an April U.N. conference on racism, known as "Durban II," but was removed earlier this month after Western countries said it was unacceptable.


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This is very disturbing. Time for everyone to learn the Koran and pray to Allah - no arguments against Islam it will be illegal! :roll:


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28 Mar 2009, 6:55 am

They don't mean "defamation of religion", anyway, they mean "defamation of Islam". People like that make me sick. :roll:


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28 Mar 2009, 6:59 am

gina-ghettoprincess wrote:
They don't mean "defamation of religion", anyway, they mean "defamation of Islam". People like that make me sick. :roll:


That sounds like you are making an insult against Islam, so off to a young offenders prison with you!
They may let you out for good behaviour if you read the Koran and pray to Allah for forgiveness though.


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28 Mar 2009, 7:01 am

TallyMan wrote:
gina-ghettoprincess wrote:
They don't mean "defamation of religion", anyway, they mean "defamation of Islam". People like that make me sick. :roll:


That sounds like you are making an insult against Islam, so off to a young offenders prison with you!
They may let you out for good behaviour if you read the Koran and pray to Allah for forgiveness though.


LOL I bet they would actually do that, and all!


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28 Mar 2009, 7:10 am

gina-ghettoprincess wrote:
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gina-ghettoprincess wrote:
They don't mean "defamation of religion", anyway, they mean "defamation of Islam". People like that make me sick. :roll:


That sounds like you are making an insult against Islam, so off to a young offenders prison with you!
They may let you out for good behaviour if you read the Koran and pray to Allah for forgiveness though.


LOL I bet they would actually do that, and all!


Give it time. In some Islamic countries you probably would be. I read somewhere recently of a student in Afghanistan openly saying in class that women should have the same rights as men... he was sentenced to 25 years in prison for blasphemy. I can't vouch for the validity of the story though, but it wouldn't surprise me.

If women can be gang raped and then Islamic law decrees they (the victim) should be lashed and imprisoned while the rapists go free, then nothing regarding Islamic law would surprise me.


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28 Mar 2009, 7:12 am

TallyMan wrote:
gina-ghettoprincess wrote:
TallyMan wrote:
gina-ghettoprincess wrote:
They don't mean "defamation of religion", anyway, they mean "defamation of Islam". People like that make me sick. :roll:


That sounds like you are making an insult against Islam, so off to a young offenders prison with you!
They may let you out for good behaviour if you read the Koran and pray to Allah for forgiveness though.


LOL I bet they would actually do that, and all!


Give it time. In some Islamic countries you probably would be. I read somewhere recently of a student in Afghanistan openly saying in class that women should have the same rights as men... he was sentenced to 25 years in prison for blasphemy. I can't vouch for the validity of the story though, but it wouldn't surprise me.

If women can be gang raped and then Islamic law decrees they (the victim) should be lashed and imprisoned while the rapists go free, then nothing regarding Islamic law would surprise me.


That's shocking. That is one f'd up religion. *changes name and leaves the country in a hurry*


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28 Mar 2009, 11:52 am

well, so long as its fine for me to use homophobic and racial slurs, i reckon its fine others being able to use anti-religious remarks.


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28 Mar 2009, 12:01 pm

Christianophobia? like there's someone afraid of us?...;) Heck, my spell-checker even flags the word...;)

What are the athiests going to do now?

The US has had a strong and storied history ignoring the UN, so we'll see how it plays out here...;)



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28 Mar 2009, 12:17 pm

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Christianophobia? like there's someone afraid of us?...;) Heck, my spell-checker even flags the word...;)

What are the athiests going to do now?


We will continue to speak out against religion until the UN decides to enforce their abhorrent decision.



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28 Mar 2009, 2:54 pm

Anyone who wants to tell me I can't share my thoughts in a civil manner, because of the contents of my thoughts can KMA. I not only have a right to free speech, but my AS tends to reinforce my political incorrect speech regardless of rules. The UN in particular can KMA because time and time again they prove themselves to be idiots.


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28 Mar 2009, 3:17 pm

I can imagine a few unintended effects of passing something like this... for example, will the scientology people be able to use this to their advantage? Thankfully it isn't binding, so it really only has the effect of the UN wagging it's finger at violators...



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28 Mar 2009, 8:00 pm

I wouldn't be worried about the UN. It's resolutions are rather unenforceable, especially when the resolution itself has a questionable interpretation.

The UN does very little to stop blatant genocide, violating one interpretation of a minor UN resolution (in this case a nonbinding one) will hardly attract notice.

That being said, the problem is not Islam itself, but what it's become. Islam is a perfectly decent religion when you boil it down to the teachings of Mohammad. However you then have to deal with a whole bunch of junk that's been layered on top over the years and now it's an unrecognizable monstrosity, except for a handful of Islamic scholars (who ironically tend to live outside of the "Muslim world").

There was once a time when the Muslim world was considered the center of culture and science. In fact I have no doubt that without Muslim scholars, the dark ages may of lasted much longer (there is a reason we use Arabic Numerals). Yet somehow all of that good knowledge has given way to a dangerous tribal mentality.


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28 Mar 2009, 8:08 pm

So what's the U.N. gonna do? Are they gonna send their blue-helmetted goons after me for saying,

"ALL RELIGIONS SUCK!"

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29 Mar 2009, 4:42 pm

jrknothead wrote:
I can imagine a few unintended effects of passing something like this... for example, will the scientology people be able to use this to their advantage? Thankfully it isn't binding, so it really only has the effect of the UN wagging it's finger at violators...


Some of the Anti-Scientology activists in the UK were a bit concerned about that, but if they just tell the police that they're protesting crime & abuse, and not religion, you'd think that they should be fine. Then again, if it's in London, the London police have received lots of "gifts" from the Scientologists, and even resulted in a citing last year after someone held up a sign with the word "cult" on it, and the Scientologists demanded the police to make him take the sign down. Eventually, the charges were dropped, but it was still completely ridiculous.



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30 Mar 2009, 11:45 am

So the UN should banish Islam since its context defames other religions and directly insult people of other religions (ie.like calling Jews as pigs and apes.)



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30 Mar 2009, 12:08 pm

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So the UN should banish Islam since its context defames other religions and directly insult people of other religions (ie.like calling Jews as pigs and apes.)


yes, and my spiritual feelings are hurt by being called a "sinner", therefore all religions should be banned!

wanna take a class-action lawsuit against UN in Strasbourg? who's with me? :D


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