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04 May 2009, 8:14 pm

http://www.princegeorgecitizen.com/2009 ... cines.html

The hype is on. There's a photo in the April 29 Citizen of a public health nurse (not wearing gloves) just finishing up a shot to a crying child. But there are grave problems.
Since mass vaccination of infants and children in the 1980s, reports of serious brain, cardiovascular, metabolic and other injuries started filling medical journals. The incredible number of children diagnosed with autism seems to directly correlate with the hepatitis B and hemophilius influenza Type B vaccines given to infants in the early 1990s.
These two vaccines are promoted by Health Canada, for two-month-olds, four-month-olds, etc., along with vaccines for diphtheria, pertussis, tetanus and polio. All six are rolled into one "multiple" vaccine. Further, infants are given two more vaccines: pneumococcal and meningococcal conjugate. That's three shots in one sitting: the six-in-one "muitiple" vaccine and the two conjugates. Altogether eight vaccines.
Now each vaccine may have as many as 18 ingredients. So do the math: 144 ingredients. Any doctor or health official would be lying if they said a "multiple" vaccine does not collectively consist of many high-toxic compounds: mercury, aluminum, formaldehyde, etc.
It's well-documented that many doctors don't approve of "multiple" vaccines or inoculating an eight-week old. All vaccines are immune-suppressing, leaving the recipient vulnerable to many diseases. The infant's immune system, barely developed, needs time to settle down. Many doctors recommend giving just one vaccine at a time. Some claim the child should be two-years-old before any vaccination - then they be given one vaccination only every six months. (Source: www.donaldmiller.com)
Delay in DPT immunization until two years of age in Japan resulted in a dramatic decline in adverse side effects, an 85% to 90% reduction in severe cases and death.
In the U.S., vaccine manufacturers have paid out nearly $2 billion in damages to parents whose children were harmed by one of the childhood jabs. In all, 2,000 families have received compensation payments.
Children who receive multiple vaccines are at risk of autism, attention deficit disorder or attention disorder hypersensitivity addiction). Estimates show in the U.S. at least two million children have these diseases. By 1995 well over 1.5 million children were taking Ritalin to treat these illnesses.
Dr. Meyer Eisenstein, medical director of Homefirst Health Services in Pennsylvania, founded the practice in 1973. He has treated 30,000 children over the years, most Amish. He claims the Amish have two things in common: they have never been vaccinated and they have never developed autism.
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04 May 2009, 8:26 pm

The autism/vaccine myth
http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/com ... 1231.story


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04 May 2009, 9:12 pm

Oh, no way! Everyone knows it's caused by those little metallic cupcake sprinkles. That did it, I know. Who here hasn't eaten the (Hg = mercury) frosting sprinkles, huh?

< This is not a "Well Lab Pet" heh heh heh


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04 May 2009, 9:19 pm

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You do realise that is a letter to the editor?


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04 May 2009, 9:38 pm

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Autists everywhere are slapping their head, thinking "Why oh why did I ever eat those cupcake sprinkles???" Dang it, now I can flash count, love to watch dryer loads, memorizing the phone directory, flaming awesome at math (well, Lab Pet is), mind blind, get distracted by shiny flashy things......BWWWHAHAHA!! ! :twisted:

And don't drink the Kool-Aid, baby.


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04 May 2009, 9:46 pm

Lab Pet has had her shots. And I've had cupcake frosting with metallic sprinkles. Do indulge in non-GFCF too (egads)!


But....aside from all that, it was meant to be - genetic propensity, lack of Sylvian Fissure, etc. STIM HAPPY


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04 May 2009, 9:54 pm

Xelebes wrote:
nightbender wrote:
http://www.princegeorgecitizen.com/20090501189693/opinion/letters/autism-linked-to-vaccines.html


You do realise that is a letter to the editor?


no i didnt, the site wouldnt accept my proxy



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04 May 2009, 9:58 pm

^^ hey, waaaaaaaiiiittt a minnnuuuut.. .. .. I've had those metallic sprinkles, but they were on ICE CREAM CONES!

wow, I'll bet that is why I am not good at math, if I had only had them on cupcakes, instead! Whhyyy wasn't I toooooolllld???


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04 May 2009, 10:03 pm

nightbender wrote:
Xelebes wrote:
nightbender wrote:
http://www.princegeorgecitizen.com/20090501189693/opinion/letters/autism-linked-to-vaccines.html


You do realise that is a letter to the editor?


no i didnt, the site wouldnt accept my proxy


yeah, nightbender, it's a letter to the editor. I had actually thought you had read it and were offering it as a serious discussion piece. Perhaps you can see why we were having fun with it?

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04 May 2009, 10:05 pm

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^^ hey, waaaaaaaiiiittt a minnnuuuut.. .. .. I've had those metallic sprinkles, but they were on ICE CREAM CONES!

wow, I'll bet that is why I am not good at math, if I had only had them on cupcakes, instead! Whhyyy wasn't I toooooolllld???


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04 May 2009, 10:50 pm

I ate about three bottles of those sprinkles straight over the years, but my mom would put them on rice crispie treats not on cupcakes.



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04 May 2009, 10:55 pm

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He claims the Amish have two things in common: they have never been vaccinated and they have never developed autism.


This is called "Post Hoc Ergo Propter Hoc." It is when somebody says "x happened, then y happened, therefore x caused y." This is often an incorrect conclusion. A friend tells me peanut butter makes you old because if you eat peanut butter for 70 years, you get old.



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04 May 2009, 11:48 pm

http://autism.about.com/b/2008/04/23/do ... -lower.htm

By Lisa Jo Rudy wrote:
I just read, for the umpteenth time, a statement that "the Amish don't vaccinate, and that's why there are no Amish people with autism." This statement draws, in part, from claims by Age of Autism writer Dan Olmsted - and, at least in this case, Mr. Olmsted is wrong.
I got my first inkling that this myth was, in fact, a myth, when I read this piece in the Combatting Autism from Within website:

The idea that the Amish do not vaccinate their children is untrue,” says Dr. Kevin Strauss, MD, a pediatrician at the CSC. “We run a weekly vaccination clinic and it’s very busy.” He says Amish vaccinations rates are lower than the general population’s, but younger Amish are more likely to be vaccinated than older generations.

Strauss also sees plenty of Amish children showing symptoms of autism. “Autism isn’t a diagnosis - it’s a description of behavior. We see autistic behaviors along with seizure disorders or mental retardation or a genetic disorder, where the autism is part of a more complicated clinical spectrum.” Fragile X syndrome and Retts is also common among the clinic’s patients.

Strauss said the clinic treats “syndromic autism”, where autism as part of a more complicated clinical spectrum that can include mental retardation, chromosomal abnormalities, unusual facial features, and short stature, as well as Fragile X syndrome. “We see quite a few Amish children with Fragile X,” he said.

...Strauss says he doesn’t see “idiopathic autism” at the clinic, which he defines as children with average or above average IQs who display autistic behavior. “My personal experience is we don’t see a lot of Amish children with idiopathic autism. It doesn’t mean they don’t exist, only that we aren’t seeing them at the clinic.”

He says a child in the general population is more likely to have autism detected early and to receive a diagnosis than an Amish child. “Amish child may not be referred to an MD or psychologist because the child is managed in the community, where they have special teachers,” he says. “We know autism when we see it, but we don’t go actively into the Amish community and screen for ASD.”

Strauss adds that the Amish have a high prevalence of genetic risk factors and are protected from others. The low rate of idiopathic autism “might have more to do what genetic structure of population than lifestyle, environment or diet.”

Just to check for myself, I called Strauss's clinic and chatted with a community liaison named Rebecca. Rebecca, who grew up among the Amish, confirms that about 70% of the Amish in Lancaster County do, indeed, vaccinate. She also confirms that the rate of autism seems to be lower among the Amish than among the general population. Of course, she didn't have a true explanation for this, though she said:
There's more of an acceptance [among the Amish] of people for being what they are, as they are. We certainly have children with difficulty learning - and there are special education facilities for children who have Downs, MR, and other issues. Most families have many children, a high rate of communication, no television; and it's important to be able to read. Communication is very, very important. I guess I have wondered whether the autism out there is due to lack of personal attention and communication to that child.

I found Rebecca's insights intriguing. To my mind, they argue for the notion that at least some of the huge rise in autism diagnoses may be linked as much to culture as to symptoms. What's more, in recent months I've come to realize that a great many of the therapies developed for autism really have just one thing in common: when done correctly, they involve a great deal of high quality 1:1 communication with the child.

The Amish do vaccinate. But in other ways they live very differently from the rest of us. I can't help but wonder whether they have a great deal to teach us relative to our children with autism.


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05 May 2009, 12:01 am

By coincidence, I attended a seminar/lecture by Dr. Charles Cowan, pediatric neurodevelopmental specialist - Director of Autism Clinic in WA. Dr. Cowan was a special guest speaker and many from my University attended. I must note: Dr. Cowan is a great guy - sense of humor, obviously loves what he does (and the Autists he works with directly). He's also a great doctor, and up-to-date.

Anyhow: He did address that vaccine/Amish story (a member of the audience, just a school-teacher asked). He said basically what sinsboldly did, in sum. Also, most notably - The Amish oftentimes do not seek outside help or treatment for their Autistic children. Therefore, their diagnostics are simply not reported quite often. They instead choose to 'treat' Autism within their own community, not seeking outside help.

Good Dr. Cowan addressed that question, and about vaccines too. I do understand many parents are not vaccinating (proported Autism risk), but he wanted to stress vaccines are a boon to modern medicine and just make sense, in terms of CDC. He wasn't dismissive of anyone's questions, and answered very professionally.

There is a genetic link regarding Autism, other factors. There are plenty of sound studies about thimersol; factored out of Autism equation. Dr. Cowan even ancedotally gave a story (he's an older man) about when he was a kid they had band-aids that were colored red inside - it's thimersol (a preservative) with an antiseptic.


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LabPet wrote:
By coincidence, I attended a seminar/lecture by Dr. Charles Cowan, pediatric neurodevelopmental specialist - Director of Autism Clinic in WA. Dr. Cowan was a special guest speaker and many from my University attended. I must note: Dr. Cowan is a great guy - sense of humor, obviously loves what he does (and the Autists he works with directly). He's also a great doctor, and up-to-date.

Anyhow: He did address that vaccine/Amish story (a member of the audience, just a school-teacher asked). He said basically what sinsboldly did, in sum. Also, most notably - The Amish oftentimes do not seek outside help or treatment for their Autistic children. Therefore, their diagnostics are simply not reported quite often. They instead choose to 'treat' Autism within their own community, not seeking outside help.

Good Dr. Cowan addressed that question, and about vaccines too. I do understand many parents are not vaccinating (proported Autism risk), but he wanted to stress vaccines are a boon to modern medicine and just make sense, in terms of CDC. He wasn't dismissive of anyone's questions, and answered very professionally.

There is a genetic link regarding Autism, other factors. There are plenty of sound studies about thimersol; factored out of Autism equation. Dr. Cowan even ancedotally gave a story (he's an older man) about when he was a kid they had band-aids that were colored red inside - it's thimersol (a preservative) with an antiseptic.


oh, goodness yes, Mercurochrome or Methiolade, it was a wonderful crimson color with a yellow sheen when you turned the bottle onto it's side. It was the stone age neosporin and my banged up scabbed up summer legs was painted up with it all through my childhood. It came in a long thin bottle with a glass prong with a little ball on the end and you applied it with that and put it back into the bottle (it was attached to the cap) I guess they thought it killed what ever germs that got on the glass wand thingie when you put it back into the bottle. We always had a choice, the Mercurochrome or Methiolade or the Iodine (that REALLY stung!) and we chose the Mercurochrome or Methiolade. I remember my brother being in some Boy Scout pagent and there was Methiolade "war paint" on little faces.

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