Jenny McCarthy still not an expert on vaccines

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And Oprah is still gullible as all hell.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/5/6/ ... l-children

and the "experts" are still no more trustworthy than Jenny.
Personally, I favor freedom of speech. I want access to the minority report.
I know a little something about ridicule, and now it only makes me listen a little harder. It's kind of like book-burning. Where there's smoke, there's someone trying to cover up something.

With any new question, it takes a massive grass-roots movement, decades of kicking and screaming, and lots of sick people before the medical community takes an honest look. I don't believe that anyone has really done it yet.

Also, I don't see the fact that doctors like to make money as evidence either way concerning the wisdom of immunizations.

I think it's up to 40 or so shots before kindergarten, then more all through school? That's insane. If I had it to do over again, I wouldn't immunize my kids. Jenny is not the only reason. There are so many scams within scams, it's nearly impossible to sort it all out. And no sane, trustworthy person is in charge.

We all need to keep in perspective here that there is still no evidence that supports the vaccine theory. First of all, the original argument was because of mercury and thimerisol content in the vaccines. Omega-3 is hugely helpful to alot of people on the spectrum and if you take the fish oil based Omega-3 there's quite a bit of mercury in there. Thimerisol hasn't been in vaccines for years, and I'm looking around there is still autism occuring.

The other thing to keep in perspective is that the onset of autism like symptoms occurs around the time when vaccines are given. So, the confusion is easy, but not definitive.

Let's also not forget that Jenny is an idiot. She has lots of money and can afford all the wonderful therapies that are helpful and proven to be helpful to autistic children.

I'm willing to bet that her kid's still autistic, just with lesser symptoms because of all the wonderful therapies. I'm not autistic because I was immunized. I'm autistic because I was born with my brain wired differently. I didn't catch it and no one gave it to me. I just think in pictures. Anyone who thinks that there is a cause other than the fundamental brain wiring is just silly.

That's what I mean about ridicule.

Anyway, if there is anything in the environment -- chemicals or the way a person is treated -- that can make it better, then the logic follows that there could be things that make it worse. Nothing should be taken off the table until someone has made an honest investigation.

Jenny thinks immunizations are contributing factors. I think fascism is a contributing factor. We could both be right at the same time.

And yes, there is "evidence." It's just not conclusive. There's a difference.

In reality, however, isn't the so called "evidence" inconclusive because nothing can cause spontaneous brain rewiring? Autism is in the way our brains are wired. I don't think in pictures because I got a shot and it made me start thinking that way. I think in pictures because that's the way my brain is wired to think. I didn't get a shot and magically stop being able to deal with change, I've never been able to deal with change even before the shots. I didn't become over sensitive to sensory input because of a shot. I've always been over sensitive to sensory input. Since before I was born according to my mom and I know my son was over sensitive to sensory stuff before he was born. It's just the way it is.

I do believe that some environmental things can happen that could maybe contribute, such as tramatic births. But who's to say that those births aren't traumatic because of the over sensitivity? It's a chicken or egg argument.

I love that she is anti-vaccine, yet a spokeswoman for Botox. So you can't inject your kids with supposed poison, but you can inject your face with known poison???

Ugh

If I think someone is full of s**t, I have every right to ridicule them, especially if they're trying to force their uneducated opinion, in which they try to pass off as fact, on others.

I still have yet to see which highly qualified doctors, scientists, and neurologists are backing up the claim that vaccines "cause autism".

Trained medical professionals and established research scientists are no more trustworthy than a two-bit ex-pornstar?

You have a strange idea of trustworthiness.


How is that insane? Have you ever studied anything in immunology or epidemiology that makes you competent to make such a claim?

Just why do you think some ambiguous shadowy "someone" would be trying to cover up that vaccines had harmed children? We know this has happened in the past. Children dying of vaccines with bacteria in it was what set the cogs into motion for the formation of the FDA.
Vaccines are vital in keeping herd immunity up. Here in 2005 (I think, I remember it being senior year of high school) we had a rise of things commonly vaccinated against... because people weren't vaccinating their kids, with the excuse of "Oh everyone else vaccinates their kids! My little Johnny won't get anything if everyone else is vaccinated". When people do crap like that, diseases easy to prevent through vaccination begin spreading again.

I think a lot of people also base their arguments on things that happened in the past. You see a lot of these organizations that use incidents that happened several decades ago to support their claim that whatever their against is bad, then they even go so far as to say that doctors KNOW that they're killing children, and they're doing it for profit (See: CCHR). Of course they always fail to mention that the medical practice is always working to correct itself and take measures to try and prevent similar problems in the future. They never focus on what's going on now, only on what's happened in the past, and that what happened in the past is being exploited.

Jenny McCarthy is an absolute moron. I found her to be an obnoxious bimbo when she was on that stupid reality show. There's a website for the Jenny McCarthy body count:

http://www.jennymccarthybodycount.com/J ... /Home.html

the treatment of autistic people suggest otherwise-ake lobotomies and electro-shock therapy. and how in the 50s they did the same to homosexuals, etc. the state 'mental health' facilities had a reputation for this.

There's a good article on James Randi's site about anti-vaccine nonsense along with Jenny McCarthy/Jim Carey:

http://www.randi.org/site/index.php/swi ... -fire.html

I think you'll find that lobotomies and electro-shock therapy are nowadays considered taboo, and are pretty rare. They were even somewhat rare in the 50s, but people still tried it. There are certain people who suggest that electro-shock therapy is "mandatory" for children in the US (of course they believe this is true based on anti-psych propaganda by the CCHR).

Obviously, as the KFC coupons prove....

Brain structure can actually be influenced and changed by the enviroment, even thought. When someone suffers from say a stroke and becomes paralyzed it is sometimes possible throught physiotherapy for them to re-learn certain movements or use certain parts of the body again, but this isn't done throught repairing the damaged parts of the brain but rather changing the function of different structures. So in effect thought is changing structure. It's sort of possible that I've even managed to do something like this myself, I'm quite badly dyspraxic and was told when I was 4 that I wouldn't ever be able to manage joined up handwriting. But throught the help of specialist teachers in primary school I did mange too, just later than most kids and not as well as most kids, I also managed to learn to play guitar. Of course another explanation for that is the doctor I saw at 4 was an idiot but still.

I don't think that vaccines cause autism either, as far as I can tell the evidence suggests it's an genetic condition with only minimal influence from the enviroment. But "brain wiring" isn't quite as fixed a thing as some people think.