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26 Mar 2009, 12:04 am

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Japan has certified a man aged 93 as the only known survivor of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, both hit by atomic bombs towards the end of World War II.

Tsutomu Yamaguchi was in Hiroshima on a business trip on 6 August 1945 when a US plane dropped the first atomic bomb.

He suffered serious burns and spent a night there before returning to his home city of Nagasaki just before it was bombed on 9 August.

More at BBC.co.uk

All I want to say is, ouch. What did he do to deserve getting hit by two atomic bombs in a row?



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26 Mar 2009, 12:08 am

I hope he was living a pretty good deal away from the city..... <.<

humans affected by radiations aren't a pretty sight.

I bet Ruveyn must be fulminating to see a Jap survive those two bombs ;P (or at the very least, he'll come and comment here).



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26 Mar 2009, 6:56 am

I had heard of years ago of some poor people who got injured by both A-bombs.


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26 Mar 2009, 9:58 am

That's like getting radioactively kicked while you're down...that would have sucked. Good that he was lucky enough to survive both though.


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26 Mar 2009, 10:06 am

CerebralDreamer wrote:
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Japan has certified a man aged 93 as the only known survivor of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, both hit by atomic bombs towards the end of World War II.

Tsutomu Yamaguchi was in Hiroshima on a business trip on 6 August 1945 when a US plane dropped the first atomic bomb.

He suffered serious burns and spent a night there before returning to his home city of Nagasaki just before it was bombed on 9 August.

More at BBC.co.uk

All I want to say is, ouch. What did he do to deserve getting hit by two atomic bombs in a row?


He voted for Emperor Hirohito.

If he was not a combatant then he was the victim of bad luck. Sh*t happens and it all flows downhill.

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26 Mar 2009, 10:22 am

ruveyn wrote:
CerebralDreamer wrote:
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Japan has certified a man aged 93 as the only known survivor of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, both hit by atomic bombs towards the end of World War II.

Tsutomu Yamaguchi was in Hiroshima on a business trip on 6 August 1945 when a US plane dropped the first atomic bomb.

He suffered serious burns and spent a night there before returning to his home city of Nagasaki just before it was bombed on 9 August.

More at BBC.co.uk

All I want to say is, ouch. What did he do to deserve getting hit by two atomic bombs in a row?


He voted for Emperor Hirohito.

If he was not a combatant then he was the victim of bad luck. Sh*t happens and it all flows downhill.

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It says nothing about his voting habits. Not that his voting habits made any difference to aristocratic succession.


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26 Mar 2009, 9:10 pm

uh...the Emperor has been a heredity position for a couple thousand years...from (sp?) Ameratseru, or something like that.

The ironic thing about Nagasaki is that most of the Christians in Japan lived there.



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28 Mar 2009, 10:51 pm

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uh...the Emperor has been a heredity position for a couple thousand years...from (sp?) Ameratseru, or something like that.

The ironic thing about Nagasaki is that most of the Christians in Japan lived there.


Just goes to show you that some military strategists should just stick to playing Command and Conquer games rather than f--k up real battles.


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29 Mar 2009, 9:22 am

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I hope he was living a pretty good deal away from the city..... <.<

humans affected by radiations aren't a pretty sight.

I bet Ruveyn must be fulminating to see a Jap survive those two bombs ;P (or at the very least, he'll come and comment here).


Not at all. He is living testimony to the scriptural saying from Proverbs: Those who sow the wind shall reap the whirlwind. He is living evidence of justice triumphant. One may hope that his has learned the error of his ways and the perils of idolatry.

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29 Mar 2009, 1:11 pm

OK so a person might not like Japan as a nation, they might not like their foreign policy from the 1930s and 1940s.

But that does not make it right to gloat over his injurys, or blame him for voting for someone who was never elected in the first place.


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29 Mar 2009, 3:02 pm

ruveyn wrote:
phil777 wrote:
I hope he was living a pretty good deal away from the city..... <.<

humans affected by radiations aren't a pretty sight.

I bet Ruveyn must be fulminating to see a Jap survive those two bombs ;P (or at the very least, he'll come and comment here).


Not at all. He is living testimony to the scriptural saying from Proverbs: Those who sow the wind shall reap the whirlwind. He is living evidence of justice triumphant. One may hope that his has learned the error of his ways and the perils of idolatry.

ruveyn


I'll bet Al Quaida can quote a scriptural saying just like that. Along with every other country/person who justifies war with religion.

Did the 5 year olds that got bombed also need to be "taught the error of their ways?"



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29 Mar 2009, 4:18 pm

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Did the 5 year olds that got bombed also need to be "taught the error of their ways?"


No. They suffered from the ill doings of their parents. By the way, in a war collateral damage is inevitable. One sets out to win the war, not worry about the health of the children of the enemy. The Japs bombed Chinese cities and killed plenty of Chinese infants. What goes around comes around. They who sow the win, will reap the whirlwind.

Remember in a war sh*t happens and it flows downhill rapidly.

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29 Mar 2009, 6:20 pm

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Did the 5 year olds that got bombed also need to be "taught the error of their ways?"


No. They suffered from the ill doings of their parents. By the way, in a war collateral damage is inevitable. One sets out to win the war, not worry about the health of the children of the enemy. The Japs bombed Chinese cities and killed plenty of Chinese infants. What goes around comes around. They who sow the win, will reap the whirlwind.

Remember in a war sh*t happens and it flows downhill rapidly.


Their parents were school teachers, the father not in the military due to bad eyesight. They sounded like pretty good people, and didn't kill anybody. So what was their ill doing? They thought going to war was crazy, but the military/government didn't care what they thought. It's always easy to talk about abstract people, and define their lives and what they did and didn't do.

About collateral damage, it also serves as a great excuse for when civilians are targeted. It was a big experiment, while also serving a military purpose.

And yes, sh** flows downhill in war, including ordinary people getting starved by their own government, and bombed by somebody else's at the same time. They didn't get asked their opinion about the war, or bombing China, or if they wanted to be taken out of school and sent to work in a factory making bullets. One of the parents above was arrested by the Kempeitai for saying something against the war to a child (who reported it). Yes, sh** happens; that doesn't make it right.

I wonder if it's a majority of people in wars who want the people who want it so much to go away somewhere and fight it out amongst themselves.



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29 Mar 2009, 7:01 pm

Apple_in_my_Eye wrote:

Their parents were school teachers, the father not in the military due to bad eyesight. They sounded like pretty good people, and didn't kill anybody. So what was their ill doing? They thought going to war was crazy, but the military/government didn't care what they thought. It's always easy to talk about abstract people, and define their lives and what they did and didn't do.



How can anyone tell who is good or bad from 20,000 feet altitude. The bombs don't care and the bombardier can't know. From that altitude cities and buildings within cities are the targets. The people don't count unless it is a fire raid, in which case the goal is to kill as many as possible and leave the rest homeless and hungry.

War is a nasty business. The idea is the kill the enemy and bust up his sh**. That is what war is about.

Wm. T. Sherman said it elegantly:

"You cannot qualify war in harsher terms than I will. War is cruelty, and you cannot refine it; and those who brought war into our country deserve all the curses and maledictions a people can pour out. I know I had no hand in making this war, and I know I will make more sacrifices to-day than any of you to secure peace."

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31 Mar 2009, 12:50 pm

Wow. This guy should be studied. To live through two radioactive blasts and live to 93 is amazing.

Back in WWII the bombs that were being used were pretty simple. Not much guidance, no precision, so the more bombs dropped would aid in hitting the target. Nowadays, the use of precision guidance weapons improves on this problem greatly. No need to thank the thousands of people involved over the years to lessen collateral damage from missiles and bombs.

Sherman is not very popular where I live. War is war and he took it to a new level.



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25 May 2009, 1:08 am

Unfortunately, our bombs today are made out of nuclear waste...