NT's seem to have a thing about being random. Why?

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Ok I'm going to stop this now before a moderator views this thread and decides to close this thread or even bans us.

For the record I don't normally argue with Christians because it does get you into a circle. We've never disproved God, however the argument of things like saying there's a flying spaghetti monster is an intelligent response to Christians who believe saying you can't disprove God is a logical argument, you've never even managed to prove there is a God in the first place, saying there's a giant Octopus in the center of the universe that I didn't prove, and is impossible to disprove is just as illogical. You don't have an opinion by the way, you just stereotyped literately over 2% of the world saying that they're exactly the same people. I don't blame scriptures, I don't even read scriptures. You didn't even read what I said, I said we don't believe in things that do not have evidence, any proof for a God? No.

And about Einstein, 5 seconds on Google:


Source: http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/einstein.html

Regardless whether he was Agnostic or Atheist, he did not believe in your God, sorry buddy.

And in general I swear, I'm sorry if you're too young to understand some people in this world choose those types of words, sorry. You also have extreme lack of disrespect which is why we're having this argument, I respect people who believe in a religion, you disrespect people who don't, that to me makes me look like the better person here. I'm not an angry person, you're just a confused little child who likes to take large groups of people and characterize them into one personality that is bad. Bill Gates is an Atheist, he donates large amounts of money to charity, he's a horrible person right? That's aside from the point anyway, you have your beliefs which you shouldn't be forcing on people or saying people who don't believe in it are bad, because the majority aren't. And do you want to know why we don't have faith? Because there's no common sense or evidence to it.. That's basically what I see atheism as being about.. Now I've hoped you've learned something here and stop bashing people for ignorant reasons. Thank you.

I agree this has become absurd. However I have proofs that Einstein did believe in God and there is no proof to prove the non-existance. Just because you quote peoples opinions doesn't mean it's true people are allowed to change their opinion. And I can do better:

"I have repeatedly said that in my opinion the idea of a personal God is a childlike one. You may call me an agnostic, but I do not share the crusading spirit of the professional atheist whose fervor is mostly due to a painful act of liberation from the fetters of religious indoctrination received in youth," and "In view of such harmony in the cosmos which I, with my limited human mind, am able to recognize, there are yet people who say there is no God. But what really makes me angry is that they quote me for the support of such views."

Looks like you made a boo boo, also:

"I believe in Spinoza's God, who reveals Himself in the lawful harmony of the world, not in a God Who concerns Himself with the fate and the doings of mankind."

Also I said he believed in God. Also:

"A knowledge of the existence of something we cannot penetrate, of the manifestations of the profoundest reason and the most radiant beauty, which are only accessible to our reason in their most elementary forms—it is this knowledge and this emotion that constitute the truly religious attitude; in this sense, and in this alone, I am a deeply religious man."

So he was religious to an extent, also:

"[E]ven though the realms of religion and science in themselves are clearly marked off from each other there are strong reciprocal relationships and dependencies … science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind … a legitimate conflict between science and religion cannot exist."

In addition:
Sources:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Einstein#Religious_views
Brian, Dennis (1996), Einstein: A Life, New York: John Wiley & Sons, p. 127, ISBN 0-471-11459-6
http://www.stephenjaygould.org/ctrl/quo ... stein.html
http://www.einsteinandreligion.com/worldsee2.html

So you see there is more to religion than you think. I have learned to respect atheists. But I stand by personal quotes.
You don't have to believe in organised religion but nonetheless even though he says he was an agnostic he was not atheist and was affiliated with religion in some way. I hope that you too have learned something.

So enough with your assumptions. There is more meaning to religion than you think.

Great peanut butter and Jelly! Where did this topic fly off too?
(I always, thought that aspies were the random ones.)
(Psst. How can you deny the existence something you react to? If you react to it, you are denying the denial. Think before you act and blow your cover and chances.)

Who is that addressed to?

Anyone who gets the logic of what I said. He-he.

Agh I'm a bit annoyed that you only responded to one of my points, and I didn't say he didn't believe in a god, I said he didn't believe in your god, Which Spinoza's God is not the Christian God, Okay?

And what God would that be? More to the point how do you know I'm Christian? How can you tell I'm from the Christian faith? For all you know I may be the spagetti monster or the octupuss that rules the universe. I too said he believes in a God though I did not specify which. What religion do you think I am from? Basically he believes in an entity that exists that isn't different from mine if you omit the scriptures...

Being random is fun

I assumed you were christian, considering you seemed to be believe in only one God, which the only major monotheistic religions appear to be Christianity, Judism, and Islam. It's a safe bet you aren't practicing Judism or Islam, I could be wrong however. Regardless what religion you're from I'm sick of arguing, also you failed to see the point of me speaking about the spaghetti monster or the octopus, there's a 99.9999% chance there is no God, Octopus or Flying Spaghetti Monster, it's a response to people who think saying "you can't disprove god" is a good reason to believe, just because you can't disprove the fact that I say there's an octopus in the center of the universe that filters all your thoughts and emotions and also created you doesn't mean you're going to believe me are you? Exactly..

Now get back on topic.

You are ignorant and just have proved my point about character. You seem to contradict and lie to yourself. you system of belief is that 99.9999% chance there isn't a god whereas others say there is a 99.9999% chance.

And whats more since you get angry and pissed of most of the time your ignorance blinds you. Isn't getting angry expressing emotion?

I can either be you: angry insecure kid in his teens who is responding to a guy he obviously loathes by now or I can be me who looks at logic in an organised way. I too have my doubts sometimes about God but I have decided that what I have been taught is the only proof for me. I for one do believe in evolution however I am not a Christian. Throughout many centuries the Gospel has been changed many times - things have been omitted and added in. Wheras my religion has not changed and many people tried to change it however controversy always erupted and they couldn't change it.

You however in conclusion have proved my point: atheists are ignorant because they can't handle their emotions - anger (like you calling me a bastard and saying I made you "sick"), disbelieve in themselves ("God does not exist", you believe in a spaghetti monster or octupuss).

The other user came here did know what he was talking about: "how can you believe in the existance of something you react to"

In this case you have believed there is no God and you reacted violently while I have never made a personal attack I didn't kill atheists I am trying to make you understand that my beliefs make more sense to me thatn they do to you. I have seen many people who reacted violently and use the metaphor similar to the ones you gave to tell me that they don't believe. But thats what I think is an atheist. I see lots of atheists about walking and the majority of them hate the concept of God. Those are the ones I don't like to associate with. I do get all your points.

You also have extreme lack of disrespect which is why we're having this argument"

And I don't deny that. I have lots of respect for you, notice I didn't once swear at you or responded with my feelings outlined. It seems to me that your trying to prove to me there is no God instead of the atheists in whole believing that. There are many flaws in your speech(es) therefore I believe what you've said is flawed.

I get it: You don't believe:

You either are having a conflict with yourself since you are responding with the same dotarded arguments since you feel betrayed by your religion or otherwise and since you respond so violently it tells me that you care about religion.

It also tells me that you are a teen (15 eh?) and most teens lives are crappy at that age and who do they blame? God, religion, 1500-2000 year old scriptures, just because they cannot handle it.

*sigh*

would this be considered "trolling" ?

There's no correlation between being NT and liking randomness. I like it sometimes, and so do some (not all) NTs. It's hard to make truthful generalizations about NTs; there's just too many of them.

You are indded an annoying troll.. Ok first off I call myself a bastard at times, it doesn't mean I'm angry. (for example my friend calls me asking why I didn't go to the mall earlier, I might reply "ah you know me I've been a lazy bastard lately..") but that's not the point. I've never known someone to make up so much crap based on absolutely nothing and fit it into a fairly decent sized post. Five things:

1. Age is not a barrier, people who think that are "blinded". There are 11 year olds with more knowledge than you and I, I myself knew nine and a half programming languages at 12 years old which certain people mark as impressive, I never judge by age/race/gender or religion, which you judge by at least age and religion I know by now.

2. You have completely failed to realize the point of this... entirely. Don't judge people by their religion or belief, you might meet someone somewhere and think that person is an extremely nice person, then if the subject ever came up and you found that person was an atheist, or a buddhist, or something different to your own beliefs you might not speak to them again because that's the type of person you are, learn tolerance ffs.

3. I love how you're saying I believe in an octopus and a spaghetti monster after I attempted to explain that to you so very clearly in the previous post.. If you were to look in actual literal science, take away all the (ugh what's the word here..) I'm just going to use 'spiritual', thoughts you have here and actually think about religion in general, (I'm not trying to be a sarcastic ass so don't read it like I am) it makes absolutely no sense at all.. And that is true.

4. I actually was born an Atheist, I've never had a religion in my life, what's with this "angry confused little teen" bullcrap? Seriously.. It actually almost sounds to me like you were born a religion, had some type of bad experience with your religion, decided to become an Atheist, felt like you needed your faith back and decided to p**** out and go back to believing in faith because you want to believe you're not going to die and not go anywhere. I've read your posts carefully and that seriously is the way it sounds, just saying.. Another poster would probably agree to a point too.

5. I apologize for saying you're Christian if you're not, however you never even classified yourself as anything, what are you "Other"? So you basically believe that there's some God that made the universe and everything in it, agh I'm so bored of that creation story, it's getting boring too. Can someone please use this belief, it's far more interesting and entertaining, I heard it from somewhere, this may not be correctly what I heard either: Basically beyond the universe there are other universes kept in marble-like structures, each one containing different laws and such, the laws in ours allow life while the laws in others don't, and I forgot the rest. I mean, at least that's more believable than some 'creator' named 'God' (ugh, could you at least call it something different, God is way to generic) that was always there deciding to create earth in an extremely random part of the universe and create life on it, really that's boring and not to believable in my opinion.. Also if you believe in God and Evolution, why would God run Evolution? He likes seeing his creations kill each other through Natural Selection? I must admit, I agree with God, it's fun to see which organisms survive, and even God needs to sit down with his popcorn every once in a while. Also we do know for a fact God can not do 'anything'. Anything holds way too many paradoxes, for example Can God create a tree that he cannot cut down? If he can create the tree, he can't do anything because he can't cut it down, and if he can cut it down he can't do anything because he couldn't create a tree that he couldn't cut down.

I actually think I went a bit too far there, sorry.

I would also love for you to be the better person here and admit stereotyping atheists was a very stupid thing to do, everyone is different and some people are nice to you others aren't which has nothing to do with Age,Gender,Race or Religion/Beliefs. Then we can stop this argument.. Got it?

Believe what you want I don't discriminate about age. And this isn't an argument I was having a debate. Because I like debating. I admit this that yes I was stereotypical about atheists. And secondly I'm not stereotypical in general. I do not belong to the Christian faith.

I belong to a father who is an Atheist and a mother who is a Muslim. I also have a cousin who is a Hindu. Since religion plays so much of part in my family and extended family (I have one cousin is a polytheist [Hindu]) I like having debates about the existance of God and want to provoke atheists who come up with generalisations of people who don't believe. As you can see I have an interest in religion. And stop quoting my WHOLE speech the page takes too much time to load up. As a young child with AS (I am 15 now) since about the age of 5 my mother told me that I was to learn Islam when my dad wasn't even Muslim. I've had this knack for causing controversy. I will come out with the truth; I asked you possibly all I could about religion and I always almost get the same answers. Although not here.

I am more interested in the politics of religion than religion itself; its actions; it's role things like that.

Next time my topic will be something else.



However if you don't believe look out for my posts sooner. I'll end this now.
(By the way did I sound like a religious nut?)

I'm one of those people who makes werid noises. I make them to express what I choose to talk about or just to be silly. I think randomness means you have an imagenation. I love to be random when I am in a good mood. People in my school find it "odd" to be that way.