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obama or Mccain
Obama 78%  78%  [ 99 ]
Mccain 22%  22%  [ 28 ]
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27 Aug 2008, 8:34 pm

If you watch the ads for McCain he shows no plans on anything they are saying about him along with the fact he has been flip-flop on Bush's Taxes Bills. Obama at least shows that he willing to promote free trade which is a very good thing and shows his plans to do stuff plus they aren't very negative while McCain are very negative in a way.


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28 Aug 2008, 12:58 am

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If Clinton likes Obama, I like Obama.
My friend's against him though, 'cause she's against abortion.


there has been a non abortion president in the White House for 8 years, and a non abortion Congress and Senate . . . it didn't seem to change the abortion laws at all.


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28 Aug 2008, 8:37 pm

Honestly I don't really care for either of them. If I had to chose one, it would probably be Obama, but not by much...


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28 Aug 2008, 10:23 pm

just watched Obama's acceptance speech and counted 29 different policies mentioned and every shot from McCain's camp answered.

wow. the sheer efficiency of it impresses me. and when he said 'It's not that John McCain doesn't care, it's just that he doesn't get it!


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31 Aug 2008, 11:53 am

come to the Obama and autism topic at discussions on Autism


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31 Aug 2008, 12:41 pm

Obama. Though his stance on abortion bothers me (I'm pro-choice but PARTIAL BIRTH ABORTION? who the hell would do that?), he seems genuine and honest. McCain is just making a fool of himself by picking someone for VP who doesn't know what she's talking about - it's like he's trying to steal all of Hilary's supporters because, well, she's a woman. He also seems too defensive, his campaign seems to focus on pointing out the flaws of his opponents more than showing what he himself can do to make a difference.



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31 Aug 2008, 1:03 pm

pinkbowtiepumps wrote:
Obama. Though his stance on abortion bothers me (I'm pro-choice but PARTIAL BIRTH ABORTION? who the hell would do that?), he seems genuine and honest. McCain is just making a fool of himself by picking someone for VP who doesn't know what she's talking about - it's like he's trying to steal all of Hilary's supporters because, well, she's a woman. He also seems too defensive, his campaign seems to focus on pointing out the flaws of his opponents more than showing what he himself can do to make a difference.


the mere fact that the Giget and Geezer show is playing in St. Paul makes my stomach turn. I agree with Michael Moore that when they run the RNC convention on the TV split screen with Hurricane Gustav, people will remember Katrina.

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31 Aug 2008, 1:16 pm

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I would vote for Mr. Obama if he would publically promise to direct the Attorney General to prosecute everyone involved in deciding to start this stupid Iraq war - including the current president and anyone else who lied about the reasons for invading.


they don't learn. One wonders how many and which lies they are going to come up with when they will bomb Iran, which is planned within the coming weeks. They found no mass destruciton weapons in Iraq,now they're going to find them in Iran???


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31 Aug 2008, 1:33 pm

Just to add about the promises of any president, they aren't usually in control of everything. You have to think about other people who play a huge part behind these legislations and policies like the senates.

As a people, we also have to reflect what's really going on instead of just relying on a president who we subconscisously see as imperial when really he's just a guy who wants power. Not trying to down the presidency but they don't have all the control we think they do.

I think JFK's quote really explains it well when wanting a change in this country: Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country.

Don't want to come across as belittling the U.S. but all this war has now come to one thing and that's are "need" for oil.

I have to ask, are we really progressing or becoming more dependent. A country that used to produce and manufacture their own products is now depended on other countries. I wonder how much debt we will be in in the future since we haven't done enough production but consuming...


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31 Aug 2008, 1:58 pm

MissConstrue wrote:
Just to add about the promises of any president, they aren't usually in control of everything. You have to think about other people who play a huge part behind these legislations and policies like the senates.

As a people, we also have to reflect what's really going on instead of just relying on a president who we subconscisously see as imperial when really he's just a guy who wants power. Not trying to down the presidency but they don't have all the control we think they do.

I think JFK's quote really explains it well when wanting a change in this country: Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country.

Don't want to come across as belittling the U.S. but all this war has now come to one thing and that's are "need" for oil.

I have to ask, are we really progressing or becoming more dependent. A country that used to produce and manufacture their own products is now depended on other countries. I wonder how much debt we will be in in the future since we haven't done enough production but consuming...


America was never independent...it needed tungsten, aluminum from South America and still does to build its aircraft. Oil, gas adn silver, uranium form the same continent, hence they have a hand in regimes down there and now they will Use Brazil for Bio fuel plantations


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31 Aug 2008, 2:43 pm

^I'm really talking about our problem now which is the dependecy on fossil fuel which will not last long not to mention do as it already has done damages to the ozone.

Much of this started around the Industrial Age which wasn't that long ago when you think about it which was really started it's course around the 19th century and thus progressed from there.


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31 Aug 2008, 9:02 pm

Libertarian.

Thanks.

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02 Sep 2008, 9:59 am

McCain's VP choice appears to be an attempt to propitiate the Evangelical Taliban, who found his level of religious fanaticism to be deficient, because he had not spoken out in support of compulsory religious indoctrination in public schools, as well as public floggings and executions. She is very much in line with the right wing lunatics. Given that we live in a theocracy ( not so different from Iran or Saudi Arabia ), it is likely that her selection was a politically wise choice.

It was, after all, the Taliban who propelled her to the governorship of Alaska 2 years ago, even though she had no experience other than being a stay at home Bible thumping mom. As a running mate for McCain, she will be a very effective tool in pandering to the abysmal stupidity of the American public.

Intellectually, she is right on par with McCain, who as a younster, only managed to get into the Naval Academy because his father was an admiral, and ended up graduating 2nd to last in a class of about 500. He is competition with the man he hopes to succeed for being the slowest thinking mammal on the planet.

Being of very limited intellect and coming from a military family tradition, he believes that war is the solution to all of humanity's problems. His statement saying that he was prepared to occupy Irak for another century is remminiscent of similar claims made by Hitler made about the pedicted lifespan of the 3rd reich. Rest assured that if elected, he will launch a unilateral attack on Iran.


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02 Sep 2008, 10:41 pm

I chose Obama, because McCain will continue Bush's policies.


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03 Sep 2008, 3:55 pm

I know too many liberals who say they don't know if they'll vote for Obama because "there's something about him" or they "don't trust him."

It's because he's black.

Most people who are voting for McCain aren't racist, mind you, but all this "I agree with Barack Obama on absolutely everything but he is unnerving in some way I can't quite identify" has only one explanation: Obama is black. His blackness terrifies you, ye nervous democrats. Admit it!


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03 Sep 2008, 8:11 pm

Obama doesn't frighten me as much as looking at the Gidget and the Geezer show over in the RNC side. Goodness, what kind of freak show are they running? If my husband ever called a younger woman his 'soulmate' he would get bonked on the bean from me!

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