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Wowbagger
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29 Jan 2006, 3:20 am

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Guilt and shame are completely appropriate. Suicide is rather selfish. A suicidal person thinks about their pain alone, and thinks nothing about the others that love him/her that they leave behind. If you kill yourself, that will hurt the the people that you love dearly. If you don't think there isn't anyone that cares about you, you are wrong. Look at the replies in this thread. All these people care enough about you to try and offer you other avenues. Live for that. I know how it feels to have people you love die from painful diseases, and from their humvee flipping over. Stop and think about how painful it was to lose these people suddenly, and not have a chance to say goodbye to them. Now imagine how the people you love would feel if you intentionally caused them this pain?


And it's not selfish for people who 'love' the person to want that person to live an insufferable life just so that they won't be hurt by his death? Life can be incredibly painful as well.



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29 Jan 2006, 5:21 am

Wowbagger wrote:
And it's not selfish for people who 'love' the person to want that person to live an insufferable life just so that they won't be hurt by his death? Life can be incredibly painful as well.
I agree.. I've had this discussion many times with many different people, I've taken both sides depending on which will give me the least pain at the time. Either way it's painful...

Worsedale, talk to people when you feel upset and if there isn't anyone you can call (which there always is) write down your feelings and get it out of your system - if you write it down you can talk to someone about exactly how you were feeling at a later date and they can help you sort things out. Lots of people care, as you can see, and although it may take some time for you to feel better, it will happen so don't give up.



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29 Jan 2006, 3:09 pm

Wowbagger wrote:
Sorce wrote:

Guilt and shame are completely appropriate. Suicide is rather selfish. A suicidal person thinks about their pain alone, and thinks nothing about the others that love him/her that they leave behind. If you kill yourself, that will hurt the the people that you love dearly. If you don't think there isn't anyone that cares about you, you are wrong. Look at the replies in this thread. All these people care enough about you to try and offer you other avenues. Live for that. I know how it feels to have people you love die from painful diseases, and from their humvee flipping over. Stop and think about how painful it was to lose these people suddenly, and not have a chance to say goodbye to them. Now imagine how the people you love would feel if you intentionally caused them this pain?


And it's not selfish for people who 'love' the person to want that person to live an insufferable life just so that they won't be hurt by his death? Life can be incredibly painful as well.


Yes it is, and I learned that years ago when I tried to kill myself. I didn't think about how it would affect my friends. I told my best friend how I tried during a really really bad point in my life. This friend of mine is a military brat and I had never seen this chic ever shed a tear over anything. When I told her what I had done she started crying, and said, "You would have just left me here?" I have never seen my friend in that much pain before and she wouldn't talk to me for a while. But she forgave me, and let me know she would hunt my soul down in hell if I ever did anything stupid like that again. I haven't, and I don't ever plan on doing it again, because I don't ever want to cause my friend pain like that ever again.



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29 Jan 2006, 5:32 pm

I agree with you to an extent, Sorce. But suicide never can or should be ruled out completely. When people are in dire misery death can become the logical option. Not all people commit suicide in ignorance, some go through a very sober and sensible decision making process to arrive at suicide, accounting for others' reactions, as well as what they think is 'right'.



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Worsedale, talk to people when you feel upset and if there isn't anyone you can call (which there always is) write down your feelings and get it out of your system - if you write it down you can talk to someone about exactly how you were feeling at a later date and they can help you sort things out.


Thats a good idea; as a matter of fact I wrote some poetry the other night when I felt I couldn't go on. My parents are hugely supportive and I have penned my thoughts down at times for my mum to read.