A world full of stupid people

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MikeH106
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30 Aug 2009, 3:51 am

Thanks, Mechie.

It's 5:00 in the morning right now, and I'm not getting any sleep. I'm wondering how to refute the idea that God is an idiot and make something happy of this world of Christian torturers.

It seems that stupid people have an obsession with hurting ugly people and taking pleasure in the fact that others have it worse. Until this Christian freak show of lying promises comes to an end, I imagine we're going to continue to see a lot of hostility.

Another thing: by 'stupid people' I don't usually mean the mentally challenged, but people who bully in addition to using bad reasoning.


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30 Aug 2009, 5:05 am

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I remember being *16* and taking a college course with adults, and they near drove me insane, because they accepted ideas about the world that were faulty without thinking about them, then parroted them at me when I showed signs of difference. If I pointed out why they were irrational, they just argued from emotion some more. And then, of course, there was the fact that my ideas and arguments were effectively null and void anyway because I was young. Even if an adult was arguing from emotion and talking crap, and I was presenting a reasoned explanation of why I disagreed, I was automatically decided to be wrong, because of my age. Apparently, life experience trumps everything else - even if you learn nothing from it.


I'm starting to suspect that the primary motivation for most "boring/normals" is emotion, especially the emotion of fear.

After all, you can't do/think __fill in the blank__ because...

What would neighbors/family/friends/the boss say? (Social conformity)

It's strange. (The nail that sticks up gets hammered down/ you would stand out...shiver)

No one else does it like that/wants the same things. (Your differing choice might make the speaker feel uncomfortable about the so called "choices" they've made.)

That's just not norrrmaal! (Baaaaah like a sheep, then get in line right behind meee!)

Sigh.

As far as age goes, it seems to me it makes no sense to defer to someone merely on the basis of greater age. There are a great number of stupid and superficial people to be found at any age. Additionally, too much experience *incorrectly processed* can lead to callousness.


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30 Aug 2009, 12:19 pm

MikeH106 wrote:
Over time, as I've learned the names of more and more Fallacies, I have come to have a feeling in this culture of being surrounded by idiots.

This is no mere feeling of superiority, but a genuine disgust and at times rage in moments when I'm overwhelmed by the fallacies of others. It's worst when they team up on you, as in their smug satisfaction with 'having friends' they don't seem to mind how many fallacies they commit. This makes an utterly contemptible impression on me, and at times even a terrifying one as I feel forced to avoid remaining silent, lest I be attacked by... the stupid people.

This orgy of fallacies, insults, and finger-pointing gets so bad that I wonder how some autistic people feel deep in their hearts when they are less able to communicate. Do they know about the stupid people the way I do?

At times I feel like I have to chop my way through a spiked vine forest of fallacies. They scapegoat. They presume intentions and causal connections. They denounce possibilities and follow the mentality of their 'herd' in blind faith. They generalize, shift motives, make connections, and straw man you, not even giving courtesy to who you are.

So at times I just say things to myself like, "I know there are many possible explanations, and one of them is that someone's plotting against me. Now, an idiot might come along and tell me I'm delusional, but being stupid, he wouldn't realize that having a delusion isn't the same as acknowledging a possibility," and, "What the idiots who need to have their***********d off don't understand is that ugly people have feelings." Sometimes I can't take it anymore! They're all just so stupid! The stupid people! The stupid people!

So why do I actually call them stupid? I have come to believe -- and don't get me wrong -- but I really have come to believe that this judgment has been shoved down my throat. While I know it's an opinionated judgment -- after all, measurements are relative, so who's to say who's stupid and who's not? -- it just seems to be my recourse to pride and humorous self-respect when I begin having auditory hallucinations. To repeat, these auditory hallucinations say things like,

"You're a freak, Charlie Brown!"
"There's a reason for that, Scott Hoagie Sandwich!"
"You're a painful person!"
"Eyyaaaaasperger's Syndrome," and even,
"Psychopaaaath."

It's unbearable. It's a load of hogwash that serves no purpose when I'm not being punished and represents the feeble-minded attitudes of kids who have long since grown up. So I'm just kind of lured into saying... "The stupid people."

I really apologize. I wish I could be a better student of relativity.

Maybe if we had fewer Machiavellian leeches, heartless macho-wannabes, hypocritical Happy Bunnies, dominant ape-men with no compassion for the suffering, Christian torturers, law enforcement bullies, people who shout "GET OFF THE ROOOOOAD!" as they drive by you on the sidewalk, people who are too afraid to stick up for the lone victim and instead join in, taboo terrorists who shout "Ewww, it's a SNAKE! It's a SNAKE!"; closed-minded competition-obsessed sadists who believe that the meaning of life is to make fun of losers, people who think that 'competition' is some kind of miracle word that solves every problem known to man, greedy doctors who bully their patients, people who refuse to admit when they're wrong and keep peddling the same old persecutions long after they've been challenged, fallacy-committing 'dudes' who hide behind their dull-minded crowds, people who perform acts of cruelty 'because they can,' people who ruin lives on purpose, idiots who read Nietzsche and then go out and torment people; aggressive, authoritarian dogs who think they can win your respect with negative reinforcement alone, people who give you nothing but losing options and shame you for all of them, deceivers, manipulators, people who pull your strings, white liars, Eric Cartmans, and Scut Farkuses in the world, I'd be less inclined to actually call people stupid.

So, every now and then, it slips out. "The stupid people." I hope you'll forgive me.


*Slow claps* More and more people are waking up to this circus show we call reality, welcome to the Theatre of the Absurd, where nothing makes any sense and the asylum is run by the lunatics.

MikeH106 wrote:
To help them.


Easier said then done, but that doesn't mean it doesn't need to be done.

Tahitiii wrote:
It's the Matrix. I've been harping about it for a while. A huge tangle of social fictions. One superstition based on another and another, and around the fruit loop we go, never touching the ground at all.


People love their fiction, it's their opiate, take away their drug and they get irritated.

MikeH106 wrote:
In response to Marsian's comment, they may be the majority, but that doesn't mean the majority can't be flat-out wrong.


This is true, remember the majority of the world used to believe the earth was flat, were they right? No.

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aspies are socially stupid too.


No duh, however most Aspies atleast acknowledge that we're falliable, with the "stupid people/clowns/imbeciles" they never acknowledge it. Everything is a "game" and concepts are nothing more than tools to pay lip-service to for an increase to their "social status".

MikeH106 wrote:
Another thing: by 'stupid people' I don't usually mean the mentally challenged, but people who bully in addition to using bad reasoning.


I generally use the term "stupid/idiot/imbecil" to refer to people who have normal/above average cognitive ability but continue to do stupid, harmful things with no remorse, guilt, shame, or feelings of responsibility. Basically they know better but they do it anyway chronically, people who bully as you described it are among the people I'd label imbeciles.

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I'm starting to suspect that the primary motivation for most "boring/normals" is emotion, especially the emotion of fear.


What is normal? Who decides what's normal? What criteria defines normal?

Is it normal for a "normal" person to drink until they vomit time and time again?

Is it normal for a "normal" man to speak about women as if women are nothing more than "sexual objects"?

Is it normal for a "normal" woman to declare how she is not a perv and how she hates all the "perverted male pig-dogs", and then act like a perverted pig herself?

Is it normal for a "normal" person to speak about how they hate dishonesty, liars and backstabbers, then go on to lie and backstab others for absolutely no reason?

Is it normal for a "normal" person to speak about how people are all good and about how "lies", "masks" and "social games" make one a good person, then when confronted with the idea of a honest society scream in complete contradiction to themselves earlier that people are all bad?

What the flipping hell is "normal" about these people? These "normal" people are gigantic walking contradictions.

Edit: Sorry if my post is offensive LinnaeusCat, I just find the idea of "normality" strange, so-called "normal" people to me don't seem very "normal".


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30 Aug 2009, 8:19 pm

Demon-Chorus wrote:
LinnaeusCat wrote:
I'm starting to suspect that the primary motivation for most "boring/normals" is emotion, especially the emotion of fear.


What is normal? Who decides what's normal? What criteria defines normal?

Is it normal for a "normal" person to drink until they vomit time and time again?

Is it normal for a "normal" man to speak about women as if women are nothing more than "sexual objects"?

Is it normal for a "normal" woman to declare how she is not a perv and how she hates all the "perverted male pig-dogs", and then act like a perverted pig herself?

Is it normal for a "normal" person to speak about how they hate dishonesty, liars and backstabbers, then go on to lie and backstab others for absolutely no reason?

Is it normal for a "normal" person to speak about how people are all good and about how "lies", "masks" and "social games" make one a good person, then when confronted with the idea of a honest society scream in complete contradiction to themselves earlier that people are all bad?

What the flipping hell is "normal" about these people? These "normal" people are gigantic walking contradictions.

Edit: Sorry if my post is offensive LinnaeusCat, I just find the idea of "normality" strange, so-called "normal" people to me don't seem very "normal".


Not offensive at all. I strongly suspect that even had I not been aspie I would still not be "normal" in orientation. I like to question everything, then make life choices based upon my rational conclusions and intellectual/workstyle needs. Of course, sometimes I make mistakes (I have been far too trusting in the past, etc.) but I do try to evolve and correct them as I go.

Let me explain how I use the term "normal"...

Social norms are the behavioral expectations within a society or group. Since the boring/normals follow the social norms all too well, they are the socially dominant force, aka"normal". However, I don't personally ascribe any positive implications from their so called normality. Normality is typical and typicality is usually dull and uninspired.

Yes, they are "normal" but normal when applied to people does not equal good or interesting in my book. They are "normal" in a sociological sense, based on the definition above but to me, so many of them live lives that are pointless and repetitive at best.

I don't want to be normal; adhere without questioning to the lifescript of birth/school/work/death.

How can you be real when you are following a script? When you question nothing? When you never learn from your mistakes (or the mistakes of others)? When you celebrate your addictions and brag how enslaved you are? (And mock those that aren't enslaved with phrases like "get a life" so you can be just like them)? When you do what "everyone" else does because that's the way it's "always" been done before?

How does humanity evolve for the better if so many of us are either playing follow the leader or are focused mindlessly on base, petty desires?


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30 Aug 2009, 8:28 pm

I'm already starting to feel bad. I just don't want to be thrown into a situation where I feel like calling people idiots.


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30 Aug 2009, 9:22 pm

MikeH106 wrote:
This is no mere feeling of superiority, but a genuine disgust and at times rage in moments when I'm overwhelmed by the fallacies of others. It's worst when they team up on you, as in their smug satisfaction with 'having friends' they don't seem to mind how many fallacies they commit. This makes an utterly contemptible impression on me, and at times even a terrifying one as I feel forced to avoid remaining silent, lest I be attacked by... the stupid people.

Yeah, most people need someone to kick down on, but they won't attack the culprits if they happen to be above them.

MikeH106 wrote:
At times I feel like I have to chop my way through a spiked vine forest of fallacies. They scapegoat. They presume intentions and causal connections. They denounce possibilities and follow the mentality of their 'herd' in blind faith.

Aye, even if they say they aren't religious, its amazing how much blind faith they place in government and media, even if they've been proven liars over and over again.

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Maybe if we had fewer Machiavellian leeches, heartless macho-wannabes, hypocritical Happy Bunnies, dominant ape-men with no compassion for the suffering, Christian torturers, law enforcement bullies, people who shout "GET OFF THE ROOOOOAD!" as they drive by you on the sidewalk, people who are too afraid to stick up for the lone victim and instead join in, taboo terrorists who shout "Ewww, it's a SNAKE! It's a SNAKE!"; closed-minded competition-obsessed sadists who believe that the meaning of life is to make fun of losers, people who think that 'competition' is some kind of miracle word that solves every problem known to man, greedy doctors who bully their patients, people who refuse to admit when they're wrong and keep peddling the same old persecutions long after they've been challenged, fallacy-committing 'dudes' who hide behind their dull-minded crowds, people who perform acts of cruelty 'because they can,' people who ruin lives on purpose, idiots who read Nietzsche and then go out and torment people; aggressive, authoritarian dogs who think they can win your respect with negative reinforcement alone, people who give you nothing but losing options and shame you for all of them, deceivers, manipulators, people who pull your strings, white liars, Eric Cartmans, and Scut Farkuses in the world, I'd be less inclined to actually call people stupid.

The human race sucks.

Its nice to hear someone talking sense for once. :)



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30 Aug 2009, 10:25 pm

I think it's a bit too much to think educating people would eliminate the problem. Most people don't want to well-informed, they work off as little information as possible, probably because it makes them feel secure. Unfortunately, they allow themselves to be exploited by the wrong people. I think it's almost like you have to manipulate them in the right direction.

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How can you be real when you are following a script? When you question nothing? When you never learn from your mistakes (or the mistakes of others)? When you celebrate your addictions and brag how enslaved you are? (And mock those that aren't enslaved with phrases like "get a life" so you can be just like them)? When you do what "everyone" else does because that's the way it's "always" been done before?

How does humanity evolve for the better if so many of us are either playing follow the leader or are focused mindlessly on base, petty desires?

I think this is called "happy". Probably a little overrated. :wink:



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31 Aug 2009, 6:33 pm

It's sad that most people don't really sit down and think about things. They just accept it all and believe whatever they hear on TV or read in the newspapers.



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31 Aug 2009, 8:34 pm

You're absolutely right, Jodi, and welcome to WrongPlanet. :)


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03 Sep 2009, 11:33 am

This discussion reminds me of Socrates Allegory of the Cave.

I know we would say it's them attached to the wall.

But they would say it's us.

Socrates was an Aspie and came up with it, so he would probably side with us.

But we know what happened to Socrates...


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