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12 Jun 2016, 10:23 am

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marshall, yes, it isn't always easy to show proof of ties back home, especially if the person doesn't have an official workplace or a home that's in their own name, whether renting or owning. I know that sucks as yes not all of us can always be in those situations of independence.

Unfortunately from everything I've learned in the transatlantic online community I spent a lot of time posting and reading in, that's what they want to see. I've had my online acquaintances post about having to actually bring along rental agreements on their apartments to show they still live somewhere in the place they come from. Even notes from a boss to confirm employment is expected to resume on such and such a date.

It sounds extreme but the Immigration department in the US is bigtime tough about the potential of anyone being just a green-card seeker, BIG time. They run rough-shod over both the legitimate international couples and the potential shady, barely acknowledging the differences. It's a lot to go through.

If there is anything at all that shows she had anything to go home to after a visit to you -- a part time job, maybe even volunteering for charity, maybe she could try to have something like that going on. Even if she volunteers at a local animal shelter and could get them to sign a note saying they rely on her as part of their team and are expecting her back on such-and-such a date, that might help.

As for supporting her while she visits, she may need to obtain some paperwork from you and your family stating that, and have it on her to show when entering. I've known of some couples who really did have to physically bring this stuff to show and tell.

There is a pre-approved situation you can get when applying for another visa next time and now that she's been turned back once, you very likely will have to get that pre-approval; I don't know the ins and outs but I believe you go through the embassy. You can probably google the process, there's a lot of information and the US government immigration department also has its own website/pages. Also yes find an immigration lawyer -- there are some that do pro-bono (free) services for those who have limited means but need the help.

Be aware that even if you go to Turkey and just marry her there, and have all the correct documentation of that, she still may not be permitted to simply come back to the States with you -- couples can and have been forced to stay apart in their separate countries even after marriage, while they file the required applications. Even if the alien party manages to come in, they can be officially told to return to their own country until the applications go through and are approved, which can take a long time. There's even a backlog of cases, making the times even longer.

I'm not trying to make all this seem impossible -- people do go ahead and go through the official channels and eventually get their spouse in the end, all the time. It's just that you need to be aware of what a huge amount of officialdom you two will be faced with, and may even have to remain in separate countries even after any marriage or the start of official filing. It's tough even on the most genuine of couples. The INS (I'm not sure they're called that anymore but that's from the old days) are tough as steel.

Now that your girlfriend has already been turned back, things are trickier now, I can't lie to you. That will be on record, and she will need a pre-approved visa in future, but this is what you need to get information about now -- go on the US government website, look up listings for your nearest immigration lawyer, try to get good help and advice as now with one rejection this case is not a simple one. But people have had this happen before and sorted it out in the end, you just have to really look for the info and help now.

I think the fiance visa (I don't remember the official name for it) is a type of pre-approved visa. It takes 3-6 months and can still be rejected if you're not careful (hence the need for a lawyer). Given what happened, she won't be able to visit the US on a tourist visa anymore. I am nervous that the fiance visa only gives her three months to stay. She can officially marry then, but I don't know what happens after that. I hope the fiance visa makes it easier. I can see if she married on a tourist visa they can deny her re-entry when she goes home. The fiance visa is suppose to prove that the relationship is legitimate though.

In any case, in the mean time I will have to go to Turkey to visit her. It's just kind of scary now there with the ISIS creeps now targeting tourists. There's also the conflict with the Kurds. They tend to attack government places, not tourist spots, but that's still no guarantee. Unfortunately their president kind of escalated that conflict over the past year, while not really doing enough to stop the ISIS rats from coming through the border from Syria.



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12 Jun 2016, 12:02 pm

I too would be very concerned about the prospect of going to Turkey in these times. The entire situation with ISIS is scary as hell, and the massive migrant crisis, some of whom I gather have tried to move through Turkey, is another thing that will make border control be a pain in the ass there too but for different reasons.

The US is very tough about immigration and insanely careful about who is entering, leaving and most of all who is staying and why, but then again I kind of respect them for that -- some other developed countries in the world are not tough enough.

Your best bet is to find an immigration lawyer as soon as possible before either of you even travel anywhere again, and find out what your options are, including the terms and conditions of that fiance visa and what happens after that.



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12 Jun 2016, 1:55 pm

Turkish women are a very well kept secret. They are really beautiful, educated and down to earth. I wish you luck with your relationship and legal affairs. Nazar değmesin.



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12 Jun 2016, 2:17 pm

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I too would be very concerned about the prospect of going to Turkey in these times. The entire situation with ISIS is scary as hell, and the massive migrant crisis, some of whom I gather have tried to move through Turkey, is another thing that will make border control be a pain in the ass there too but for different reasons.

The US is very tough about immigration and insanely careful about who is entering, leaving and most of all who is staying and why, but then again I kind of respect them for that -- some other developed countries in the world are not tough enough.

Your best bet is to find an immigration lawyer as soon as possible before either of you even travel anywhere again, and find out what your options are, including the terms and conditions of that fiance visa and what happens after that.

We have already contacted one. We know what the issue is now. Apparently in the past a lot of people would come to the US on a travelers visa and then marry. Now they strongly discourage it and even prevent people from entering if they think they are doing it to marry. Now you really need to get a K1 visa (or K2 if the fiance has children). I will need to have my parents co-sponsor the marriage because I don't make 125% of the poverty level income for a couple (I'm on disability and only work part time due to extremely nasty case of treatment resistant depression).

I'd like to have a real job and make more money, but I struggle with extreme fatigue. I personally think I have some kind of diagnosed medical condition on top of depression. It f*****g sucks. I don't understand how depression alone could make me this tired all the time. Hopefully things will work out. I'm just feeling extremely stressed. I'm still worried they will try to f**k me over.

Anyways, there is no way for her to travel to the US again due to what happened. For her to come here again we will have to wait for the K1 to be approved which will be 3-6 months. She will have to go to the American consulate in Istanbul to interview at some point. We'll be sure to let her know exactly what to tell them. Until then, the only other way we can see each other is if I travel to Turkey.



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13 Jun 2016, 11:04 am

Yup, it is expensive and time-consuming to bring a spouse to America. Any interest in moving to Turkey? lol

When we were doing my husband's paperwork, he required a sponsor - someone who was willing (and had the means) to repay the government if he applied for welfare during his first five years in America.



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13 Jun 2016, 11:51 am

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Yup, it is expensive and time-consuming to bring a spouse to America. Any interest in moving to Turkey? lol

When we were doing my husband's paperwork, he required a sponsor - someone who was willing (and had the means) to repay the government if he applied for welfare during his first five years in America.

This world revolves around money, not love. It gives me a sick feeling.



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13 Jun 2016, 12:53 pm

marshall wrote:
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Yup, it is expensive and time-consuming to bring a spouse to America. Any interest in moving to Turkey? lol

When we were doing my husband's paperwork, he required a sponsor - someone who was willing (and had the means) to repay the government if he applied for welfare during his first five years in America.

This world revolves around money, not love. It gives me a sick feeling.


There are criteria to get visitor visas, fiancée visas, etc. that's a basic fact of life, not the world revolving around money.



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13 Jun 2016, 1:42 pm

It's true that the U.S. makes things very difficult, though. And we milk immigrants for money. It cost over a thousand dollars in various fees to process my husband's paperwork. There was a charge to file a paper to find out whether he was eligible to even apply! And we did the whole process ourselves - no lawyer fees.
I also had an Irish green card. Getting it required one trip to an office, very little paperwork (name and address, mainly), and cost nothing that I recall (there may have been some very small processing fee). I was in and out in less than an hour.



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13 Jun 2016, 5:10 pm

Istanbul is a very nice, cosmopolitan city. It is difficult to get around because the streets are not in a grid pattern, like Chicago is. There's lots of culture and history there.

Lots of western Turkey has a nice climate, have nice beaches, and also have places of historical value (one of them being Troy).

Eastern Turkey: Don't go there. It's possible you might need permission from the Turkish government, and it's also possible they might require a convoy go with you.



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13 Jun 2016, 9:48 pm

Sangsang wrote:
marshall wrote:
YippySkippy wrote:
Yup, it is expensive and time-consuming to bring a spouse to America. Any interest in moving to Turkey? lol

When we were doing my husband's paperwork, he required a sponsor - someone who was willing (and had the means) to repay the government if he applied for welfare during his first five years in America.

This world revolves around money, not love. It gives me a sick feeling.


There are criteria to get visitor visas, fiancée visas, etc. that's a basic fact of life, not the world revolving around money.

A lot of the criteria is about money. You must earn 125% of the poverty level. They don't like people without much money immigrating. They don't want anyone coming in that will use more government services than they produce economically. It is all about money. If you can't get enough money you are f****d in this world. If you are sick and can't produce you are considered a burden. It is social darwinism. I don't feel like f*****g arguing in the haven. You will make me feel more f*****g suicidal.



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14 Jun 2016, 9:53 am

I'm sorry she can't come visit you.Its such a downer to look forward to something with all your heart and then have it taken away.I wish you both the best and hope it works out where you can be together.


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14 Jun 2016, 9:59 am

What part of Turkey is she from? I think it is mostly safe except along the southern border Syria where you have ISIS and Kurdish militants, is it completely unsafe to visit now?



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14 Jun 2016, 11:51 am

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What part of Turkey is she from? I think it is mostly safe except along the southern border Syria where you have ISIS and Kurdish militants, is it completely unsafe to visit now?

There have been terror attacks about once per month over the past few months. Not all attacks are ISIS though. There have been attacks by Kurdish groups. The main one is the PKK which is a Marxist group. They don't specifically target random civilians though, mostly government things. There are other more fringe Kurdish groups that have set off bombs in non-government places though. ISIS is the most worrisome though because they specifically go after foreigners and tourists. Turks in general are not radical Muslims though, thankfully. They like westerners. Its just ISIS. It seems most of the attacks have been in Istanbul or Ankara. If I go to any tourist areas, they wont be in those cities.



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14 Jun 2016, 2:39 pm

Is Turkey in the European Union?



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14 Jun 2016, 2:41 pm

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Is Turkey in the European Union?

No, not yet. They are in the process of joining and want VISA free travel but it seems like the European Union will collapse before that ever comes to fruition.



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14 Jun 2016, 2:49 pm

That's unfortunate for the OP, as I was thinking maybe they could both move elsewhere in Europe. Turkey's border with Syria is really having a destabilizing effect. I couldn't in all seriousness recommend anyone move there right now.