You're a victim?
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Why is 'oh you're a victim' an insult?.....yeah I am a victim of bullying, PTSD from a traumatic experience, loneliness, depression, anxiety and a not so great childhood among other things. So I just don't understand what that means as an insult really. I mean are there people who go through their lives without ever being a victim of anything? and are they the majority?
So yeah I don't get what that means when people say it like an insult, but I know it usually makes me feel bad so maybe if I understood it better I could avoid experiencing further emotional discomfort.
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Well I have Major Depression, those are more or less symptoms of it.....I do my best to try not to let it get me down too far but its much easier said then done. You try being optimistic when you have depression, anxiety and PTSD and your negative memories outweigh your positive memories.
Putting me down for feeling bad seems kinda counter productive and nasty but don't worry its not like I haven't heard it all before.
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You can have been a victim of bullying/assault/abuse etc. That's no shame/fault/blame of yours.
It's the victim mentality that people find irritating. The 'look, I have this wrong with me, this, this, this and this has happened to me. People are so horrible to me, pity me' thing gets irritating. Particularly if the things people are complaining about are partially their fault. Also, if someone is busy dealing with their own issues they can be irritated when other people complain a lot about theirs. I'm not saying it's morally or socially right, but it seems to be the case.
To clarify, I'm not saying you are doing this. I'm just saying that people can misconstrue talking about your issues as you 'attention seeking'. Particularly if you're frequently talking about them, or talking about them with people that have you're not close friends with.
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Sweetleaf, comments like that are quite frankly a bit insulting. You don't know what has happened in Tequila's life. You can't say if they've had a harder/easier time of it, you don't know whether or not they've been through similar things and yet have remained optimistic.
You can only say, 'I find it difficult, but I am trying', you can't spit that in people's faces.
I for one, and I am asking for no pity, have had an abusive, neglectful childhood (I haven't been bullied because I rarely went to school and had little contact with peers and they are the most frequent perpetrators of bullying, so I can't say I understand that). Yet I still have hope, I strive to be optimistic (or failing that at least realistic). I appreciate that it's difficult, but you can say 'Oh you don't know!', because makes it seem like you think you have the monopoly on human suffering. You don't, no one does.
Bad stuff happens to nearly everyone.
Edit: I wrote pessimistic instead of realistic. Freudian slip? Aha
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Sweetleaf
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It's the victim mentality that people find irritating. The 'look, I have this wrong with me, this, this, this and this has happened to me. People are so horrible to me, pity me' thing gets irritating. Particularly if the things people are complaining about are partially their fault. Also, if someone is busy dealing with their own issues they can be irritated when other people complain a lot about theirs. I'm not saying it's morally or socially right, but it seems to be the case.
To clarify, I'm not saying you are doing this. I'm just saying that people can misconstrue talking about your issues as you 'attention seeking'. Particularly if you're frequently talking about them, or talking about them with people that have you're not close friends with.
Well I feel the comment was rather uncalled for, because I was not talking about something that is my fault...but I don't see the point of a forum if your not even supposed to express your thoughts on it and since my life and a lot of things I think about are not exactly rainbows and butterflies I may come off as pessimistic but I don't feel I'm one to constantly complain about petty bs.
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That's what we're trying to get across. It's perfectly understandable that you may have had some very traumatic experiences in your life and, in those cases, most people will be naturally sympathetic to you. People are quite understanding and sympathetic here in comparison with many Internet message boards and will help you out.
It's the whiny, attention-seeking "poor me" act that you constantly do that winds people up. You don't know what the other experiences of the people on this board are. There may be many other women who have had to suffer far, far worse ordeals than you have but they keep quiet about it and try to retain a positive outlook if they can, if only for their sanity (or, more likely, their children or partner).
Do you understand? Does this make sense? A lot of us are depressed here but we just deal with it as best we can (although I am personally not that bad at the moment). ![]()
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Sweetleaf, comments like that are quite frankly a bit insulting. You don't know what has happened in Tequila's life. You can't say if they've had a harder/easier time of it, you don't know whether or not they've been through similar things and yet have remained optimistic.
You can only say, 'I find it difficult, but I am trying', you can't spit that in people's faces.
I for one, and I am asking for no pity, have had an abusive, neglectful childhood (I haven't been bullied because I rarely went to school and had little contact with peers and they are the most frequent perpetrators of bullying, so I can't say I understand that). Yet I still have hope, I strive to be optimistic (or failing that at least pessimistic). I appreciate that it's difficult, but you can say 'Oh you don't know!', because makes it seem like you think you have the monopoly on human suffering. You don't, no one does.
Bad stuff happens to nearly everyone.
I was not implying I knew anything that has happened in Tequilas life, just was trying to describe my situation......I guess its possible better wording could have been used, but I guess I am not exactly to thrilled about being insulted by Tequila so I was not exactly thinking about the best possible wording.
I am not really asking for pity either, understanding is nice and its also nice when there are people who give a damn about you, that is usually all I really desire from people but I realize not everyone is going to like me, understand me or give a crap so I don't expect it from everyone. I guess I kind of also feel like if someone did in fact understand they would be less inclined to put someone down for it.
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It's the whiny, attention-seeking "poor me" act that you constantly do that winds people up. You don't know what the other experiences of the people on this board are. There may be many other women who have had to suffer far, far worse ordeals than you have but they keep quiet about it and try to retain a positive outlook if they can, if only for their sanity (or, more likely, their children or partner).
Do you understand? Does this make sense? A lot of us are depressed here but we just deal with it as best we can (although I am personally not that bad at the moment).
What whiny, attention-seeking, 'poor me' act? I admit I complain about things and everyone does when they are dealing with things they don't like or are facing a lot of overwhelming and frustrating difficulties and just barely coping with life. But yeah I am not really seeking attention...anymore than is healthy yes I post things in the hopes I will get feedback I am honest about how I feel and what I think I guess if not being optimistic=seeking attention then I'm a total attention seeker. Also there are some positives in my life, its not like I have not mentioned my enjoyment of music and positive things like that on the various forums, but since it feels like the negatives outweigh the positives its not really a poor me act more like a poor me reality, but I really do dislike that wording. More like the things kinda suck for me and I am not denying it reality.
So no I don't really get how I am doing any of what you describe, or why I deserve to be put down for how I feel.
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I have an issue with words like "attention-seeking" and "act." In my experience 0% of people accused of these things are trying to win an Oscar for best dramatic performance. They're trying to find relief from suffering by asking for help from others. Maybe some of these others resent this because they feel everyone should and can be able to solve their own problems without "burdening"others? I haven't met a single person though who is not a member of the human collective that depends on each other in ways that are not always obvious. There are different styles.
In my observation more assertive/yangish people when they have a problem state what they need authoritatively in a way that either quickly yields what they want, starts a fight, or causes them to move onto a more yielding source, and more cooperative/yin-ish people try to reconcile what they need with what others need by proposing compromise in an unassuming and striving-to-please way that is usually more drawn-out, and yangish people get upset when they realize they are having demands put on them softly and subtly rather than overtly and explicitly. They might see it as trickery because they "play life" in a more loudly labelled way. Just a theory.
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In my observation more assertive/yangish people when they have a problem state what they need authoritatively in a way that either quickly yields what they want, starts a fight, or causes them to move onto a more yielding source, and more cooperative/yin-ish people try to reconcile what they need with what others need by proposing compromise in an unassuming and striving-to-please way that is usually more drawn-out, and yangish people get upset when they realize they are having demands put on them softly and subtly rather than overtly and explicitly. They might see it as trickery because they "play life" in a more loudly labelled way. Just a theory.
and that makes some sense, but is kinda confusing....but it seems like that could have something to do with it.
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Even if someone is "attention seeking" or "self pitying", I don't see why this should upset a third party on the internet. If you're so swell and proudly dealing with all your problems, why waste your time kicking others who are down? Sadistic behavior of that sort makes you come off as a bit of a sociopath.
If someone describing their problems bothers you then the best thing would be not to read it, IMO. Maybe you think you have them and their life completely figured out, but then maybe you don't.
There was a senator a few years ago who said that too many Americans were whining about the economy because there is no recession -- that there was only a "mental recession." That senator was (and now literally is) a lobbyist for the banks and they pay him $2 million a year, now. If you're rich (or know that you're going to be) it's apparently easy to lose perspective of what it's like not to be rich.
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Well they can call themselves whatever they would like, I personally feel like I would be surviving better if I was not a victim of those things. survivor to me suggests someone who has overcome something well I haven't overcome any of that and don't know that I ever will.
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