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25 Jan 2012, 11:27 pm

yet again despite my best efforts. I wonder if this has some medical origin that can be fixed if I just do such-and-such. Does anyone have experience with that kind of thing. Thanks for reading.



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25 Jan 2012, 11:34 pm

At 25 it's environmental. Tricks/medicines might work if you can be fooled by tricks and that's the quality of life you want.



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25 Jan 2012, 11:50 pm

what works for me:

meds (i hate them and eventualy become noncompliant, but end up back on them again when i relapse)

therapy (i have seen as many as 3 therapists regularly, or individual counselling plus group therapy

sleep (i do best with a little less than i technically "need", and occasional catching-up. i need meds for this too)

exercise (daily exercise helps me keep my mental health strong and clear)

proper diet (heavy on the fruits and veggies, my personal comfort food like soup)

social netwoks (more than just my family. both online and real life socialising)

working (my doctor has suggested several times that i might be better off not working, but it helps my mental state to be doing something fulfilling with tangible results every day. i am under-employed in a highly stressful job, but i am still far less depressed than i was when i was unemployed.

mental restructuring (depression originates in the brain and becomes a mindset. at times i have managed to convince myself i am not depressed. it worked for years to help keep the depression at bay)

hobbies (i'm trying to keep them in balance. am learning to leave projects half-finished)


but these are just the things that work for me.


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25 Jan 2012, 11:52 pm

Oh Jeez.

Thanks. Tried and take.

This is nothing like who I really am. I had no clue when I was ten that this is what my life was going to be like. It was impossible for me to stay sad then, gravity brought me down to a happy earth but now it keeps me on a sad one.



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25 Jan 2012, 11:54 pm

fraac wrote:
At 25 it's environmental. Tricks/medicines might work if you can be fooled by tricks and that's the quality of life you want.


I'm really depressed too. I also feel kind of paranoid and more avoidant than I ever was. I have really bad anxiety, and for the past while I just really cannot fall asleep. I do not know what is wrong with me. I keep talking to myself in my head, more than I have ever done, and I also can't stop thinking about suicide.

I think alot of it is because my life sucks and I have no real friends, but at some point isn't there some kind of chemical imbalance in my body? If there is which I highly believe, it has gotten worse the older I get.

Who do I talk to about this to get tested? I don't have insurance and I refuse to pay for BS psyciatrists/psycologists or whoever the hell they are



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25 Jan 2012, 11:56 pm

Suicide isn't as easy as most people think it.

Especially the pill overdose. Most pills, if they kill you, kill you in an extremely slow and painful way over the course of many hours or sometimes days.


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25 Jan 2012, 11:59 pm

hyperlexian wrote:
what works for me:

meds (i hate them and eventualy become noncompliant, but end up back on them again when i relapse)

therapy (i have seen as many as 3 therapists regularly, or individual counselling plus group therapy

sleep (i do best with a little less than i technically "need", and occasional catching-up. i need meds for this too)

exercise (daily exercise helps me keep my mental health strong and clear)

proper diet (heavy on the fruits and veggies, my personal comfort food like soup)

social netwoks (more than just my family. both online and real life socialising)

working (my doctor has suggested several times that i might be better off not working, but it helps my mental state to be doing something fulfilling with tangible results every day. i am under-employed in a highly stressful job, but i am still far less depressed than i was when i was unemployed.

mental restructuring (depression originates in the brain and becomes a mindset. at times i have managed to convince myself i am not depressed. it worked for years to help keep the depression at bay)

hobbies (i'm trying to keep them in balance. am learning to leave projects half-finished)


but these are just the things that work for me.


Thank you. This is very very helpful. Medicine to help sleep seems like the place to start cause I can't sleep at night and it's making all the rest impossible. This is what I needed, someone to tell me exactly what to do. I haven't even had the focus to come up with an order in which to make my life better but if I basically do this list in the order starting with what needs to get done before the others can happen I can become un-depressed.



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26 Jan 2012, 12:03 am

Lightening I've had a similar experience.I really like hyperlexian's list though, I wonder if it might help you also. Or pretty much anyone who in their depression/lack of executive functioning needs help ordering the actions that are the steps to getting better.



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26 Jan 2012, 12:13 am

I once let myself get so depressed I was collecting the things I would need to end my miserable life. I was going to do it. Then one day it dawned on me that I wasn't a depressed person. Seriously, I actually play the Glad Game. If you really want to know what that is, you have to watch the Disney flick, "Pollyanna." I'm an optimist. It really scared me that I was thinking of killing myself. I had a really screwed up friend who's mother killed herself. I would never want to do that to my kids.

So, I looked at my life, made some changes and while it's not perfect, it's ok. This has happened to me twice. Once was because of a prescription drug and the other time was a hormonal issue. hyperlexian's list is a good one. I would only add a visit to your doctor to have your hormones checked. For exercise, I use yoga and tai chi along with walking my dogs and working in my garden. Diet is another thing that is SO important. There are actually foods and supplements that can help prevent depression and probably foods that encourage it.

I am responsible for my mental health and I take it seriously. It's too easy to slip off into the deep end so you have to stay aware and keep things maintained.


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26 Jan 2012, 12:27 am

Exercise is very important. Not just because it will make you more fit, but also because it will give you a sort of routine. In addition, if you know that you have exercised earlier in the day, it is difficult to feel "guilty" about wasting the day. It gives meaning to the day, even if you don't end up doing much besides exercising.

But equally important: if you set an exercise schedule, you will fail at it multiple times before it becomes a true habit. The most important skill is to be able to quickly get "back on the wagon" whenever you fall off. Whenever you find that you cannot keep your exercise schedule, shrug it off and say, "I'll try again starting tomorrow."



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26 Jan 2012, 12:29 am

Thank you unduki, in fact I need to make a doctor's appointment to get the sleep medicine I think. I don't know. I am so incapable of organizing the most basic thing in my life that I am a little worried it will never get done. I get defeated just thinking about calling which provokes a lot of anxiety in itself and getting put on hold for five minutes like always let alone trying to figure out when I'll be able to get there and how long I'll have to wait before I can go there so I can sleep. I have been like a zombie. I will definitely put those on the list I'm just really afraid I won't even get to the first thing on the list. My functioning at the moment is just so poor. Even though I am very tired I will stay up because at this point I literally can't fall asleep if I try. I know it's gotten really bad cause when I was out in public yesterday (for only the third time this month) I was crying and crying and couldn't stop and didn't have the energy to care who saw me which a lot of people did. I am so exhausted I don't know if I will make it to the doctor's to get the sleep medicine I need, it's just such a feat. Everything is so hard. I don't even know if you need a prescription for sleep medicine. I feel like a little kid, I'm just so tired, I've never had insomnia like this before.



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26 Jan 2012, 1:37 am

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Thank you unduki, in fact I need to make a doctor's appointment to get the sleep medicine I think. I don't know. I am so incapable of organizing the most basic thing in my life that I am a little worried it will never get done. I get defeated just thinking about calling which provokes a lot of anxiety in itself and getting put on hold for five minutes like always let alone trying to figure out when I'll be able to get there and how long I'll have to wait before I can go there so I can sleep. I have been like a zombie. I will definitely put those on the list I'm just really afraid I won't even get to the first thing on the list. My functioning at the moment is just so poor. Even though I am very tired I will stay up because at this point I literally can't fall asleep if I try. I know it's gotten really bad cause when I was out in public yesterday (for only the third time this month) I was crying and crying and couldn't stop and didn't have the energy to care who saw me which a lot of people did. I am so exhausted I don't know if I will make it to the doctor's to get the sleep medicine I need, it's just such a feat. Everything is so hard. I don't even know if you need a prescription for sleep medicine. I feel like a little kid, I'm just so tired, I've never had insomnia like this before.


Sleep deprivation can really mess you up. It's really hard for me to quiet my mind so I have sleep issues. I take Ambien when I've been too sick or lazy to keep up with the yoga and tai chi. Like, I'll never learn... my body is happiest when it gets to move regularly with purpose.


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26 Jan 2012, 5:34 am

what helps me is meds and doing peaceful things on my own, like painting and walking in nature.
but they're both really band-aids until i can fix the reasons that make me feel that way sometimes.

i think you're strong, and if you keep trying different methods and tricks and tips, you'll get there one day. (:



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26 Jan 2012, 8:41 am

I can't improve upon the most excellent suggestions from other posters, purchase. I can only say to make yourself and your wellbeing a priority. I think fewer people do this for themselves than they realize. I wish you well!



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26 Jan 2012, 6:11 pm

It's not easy. I'm another one of those people for whom SSRIs alone don't do a whole lot. I had to add a type of novel stimulant / wakefulness-enhancing drug. Even though my parents insurance will covers over half of it it's still $150 a month. On the other hand it's the only thing that really works. Without financial support I'd be screwed. The reality is treatment for chronic bio-chemical depression that doesn't respond strongly to SSRIs is very limited.



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26 Jan 2012, 6:39 pm

I'm quite depressed and thus far I have not found any way to cure myself of it...and actually more or less gave up on it.


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