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30 Oct 2019, 3:44 am

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I am pretty blunt and straightforward. But I don't feel like anyone hates me. Or maybe I'm just not aware of it.

Honestly? But that may hurt. And I mean really hurt.


I don't understand what you are saying.



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30 Oct 2019, 3:44 am

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Cyberg, Dominic and Ezra, what is your goal here?
To encourage reform?
To vent until you've had your fill?
To take the same tact as the OP, the approach you have been vehemently opposed to and dish it out to him?
To rid WP of the OP through bullying?

The approach and rationale has wider implications, though it depends obviously on what your goal is and whether you are attempting to set a precedent for how we should remove autistic members.

My main interest/aim in all of this is WP and its sustainability.

My approach is to try to be the change I wish to see in the world.

Standing up to bullies obviously, and I don't appreciate being lied to, that sucks.

I'm a lone wolf per se, so I haven't been included in these PMs you spoke of. I am automatically suspicious of motives when it becomes a group approach.
Yeah lying has a tendency to set me off too, disingenuous people in general.
They are my triggers I guess.

I find the rallying against member via PM hypocritical, especially on a forum where members complain of bullying at the hands of NTs. Being out of the gossip loop and hearing people's complaints about how Ferris was working so assiduously for our safety for example or complaints about the OP was interesting, the rest of us were unaware of the festerring mess. It sucked that the only people up to date with events were part of the gossip circles while the rest of us had to endure the rapidly shifting landscape that WP became, rather like being in The Matrix. As an outsider, the sanctimony of some members who gave themselves away as gossips purely from being up to speed with events was quite revealing. Then to point the fingers at the mod team for lack of transparency, a joke.

Fnord's a big boy, tough as boots, there is a problem, let's get it sorted.



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30 Oct 2019, 3:45 am

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I am pretty blunt and straightforward. But I don't feel like anyone hates me. Or maybe I'm just not aware of it.

Honestly? But that may hurt. And I mean really hurt.

I don't understand what you are saying.

I'm just warning you that you may not like my response. Wanna hear it anyway?


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30 Oct 2019, 3:46 am

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However I see concrete evidence of Fnords potential to alter his way of interacting with the self diagnosed.

I guess I'm part of it ;)


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30 Oct 2019, 3:50 am

Amity wrote:
Cyberg, Dominic and Ezra, what is your goal here?
To encourage reform?
To vent until you've had your fill?
To take the same tact as the OP, the approach you have been vehemently opposed to and dish it out to him?
To rid WP of the OP through bullying?

The approach and rationale has wider implications, though it depends obviously on what your goal is and whether you are attempting to set a precedent for how we should remove autistic members.

My main interest/aim in all of this is WP and its sustainability.

My approach is to try to be the change I wish to see in the world.


I am trying to establish what is going on.



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30 Oct 2019, 3:56 am

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I am pretty blunt and straightforward. But I don't feel like anyone hates me. Or maybe I'm just not aware of it.

Honestly? But that may hurt. And I mean really hurt.

I don't understand what you are saying.

I'm just warning you that you may not like my response. Wanna hear it anyway?


Yes.



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30 Oct 2019, 3:56 am

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Fnord's a big boy, tough as boots, there is a problem, let's get it sorted.

I don't believe coming out as tough changes any rules of the Haven.


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30 Oct 2019, 3:58 am

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I am pretty blunt and straightforward. But I don't feel like anyone hates me. Or maybe I'm just not aware of it.

Honestly? But that may hurt. And I mean really hurt.

I don't understand what you are saying.

I'm just warning you that you may not like my response. Wanna hear it anyway?

Yes.

That's because you're seriously disabled. I know you don't abuse the fact but it still protects you: people would sh!tstorm a tsunami if someone kept openly attacking you.
Fnord is a successful white male which puts him outside of any protected areas of our society.


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30 Oct 2019, 3:59 am

domineekee wrote:
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Cyberg, Dominic and Ezra, what is your goal here?
To encourage reform?
To vent until you've had your fill?
To take the same tact as the OP, the approach you have been vehemently opposed to and dish it out to him?
To rid WP of the OP through bullying?

The approach and rationale has wider implications, though it depends obviously on what your goal is and whether you are attempting to set a precedent for how we should remove autistic members.

My main interest/aim in all of this is WP and its sustainability.

My approach is to try to be the change I wish to see in the world.

Standing up to bullies obviously, and I don't appreciate being lied to, that sucks.

I'm a lone wolf per se, so I haven't been included in these PMs you spoke of. I am automatically suspicious of motives when it becomes a group approach.
Yeah lying has a tendency to set me off too, disingenuous people in general.
They are my triggers I guess.

I find the rallying against member via PM hypocritical, especially on a forum where members complain of bullying at the hands of NTs. Being out of the gossip loop and hearing people's complaints about how Ferris was working so assiduously for our safety for example or complaints about the OP was interesting, the rest of us were unaware of the festerring mess. It sucked that the only people up to date with events were part of the gossip circles while the rest of us had to endure the rapidly shifting landscape that WP became, rather like being in The Matrix. As an outsider, the sanctimony of some members who gave themselves away as gossips purely from being up to speed with events was quite revealing. Then to point the fingers at the mod team for lack of transparency, a joke.

Fnord's a big boy, tough as boots, there is a problem, let's get it sorted.


Yes it didn't sit well with me either, that all this was happening behind the scenes and that knowledge seemed to be in the hands of those who voiced it only as part of an agenda.
It made me quite uncomfortable, reminded me of normative tactics I've experienced before and the outcome was/is always negative.
I've spoken honestly with Fnord in public view about my take on all of this. By placing faith in his potential to alter his ways of interacting with vulnerable members, that comes with an expectation of seeing concrete evidence of this over time.



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30 Oct 2019, 4:02 am

magz wrote:
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However I see concrete evidence of Fnords potential to alter his way of interacting with the self diagnosed.

I guess I'm part of it ;)

Yes indeed you are



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30 Oct 2019, 4:06 am

EzraS wrote:
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Cyberg, Dominic and Ezra, what is your goal here?
To encourage reform?
To vent until you've had your fill?
To take the same tact as the OP, the approach you have been vehemently opposed to and dish it out to him?
To rid WP of the OP through bullying?

The approach and rationale has wider implications, though it depends obviously on what your goal is and whether you are attempting to set a precedent for how we should remove autistic members.

My main interest/aim in all of this is WP and its sustainability.

My approach is to try to be the change I wish to see in the world.


I am trying to establish what is going on.

I too would like to know the answer to that. I cant stand by while I watch an attempt to set a precedent on how we should oust a member, that could be you or I next, or even a vulnerable member.



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30 Oct 2019, 4:08 am

magz wrote:
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I am pretty blunt and straightforward. But I don't feel like anyone hates me. Or maybe I'm just not aware of it.

Honestly? But that may hurt. And I mean really hurt.

I don't understand what you are saying.

I'm just warning you that you may not like my response. Wanna hear it anyway?

Yes.

That's because you're seriously disabled. I know you don't abuse the fact but it still protects you: people would sh!tstorm a tsunami if someone kept openly attacking you.
Fnord is a successful white male which puts him outside of any protected areas of our society.


I have been attacked numerous times in the past. My level of disability was actually shot down by a mod as something that I should be given a break on.

Two other mods, one in particular, have openly berated me.

No sh!tstorms ever resulted from any of that.



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30 Oct 2019, 4:13 am

magz wrote:
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getting some PMs about the harm you are causing

I suspected some PM work behind the current massive sh-storm against the OP. Why so many vulnerable, emotional individuals attacked him at once without any obvious action from the OP?
Now I've got some evidence for my suspicion.
I wonder if the person behind it is the one I think...

To be clear: one now Unmentionable user tried to PM me into hating some other users. I suspect it may as well be happening now between currently active users.

Missed your last bit, I haven't experienced this since I got a few from people with their own agenda in the womens forum, maybe 3/4 years ago now.
I don't appreciate manipulation attempts, I prefer to think for myself.



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30 Oct 2019, 4:16 am

Still, the vox populi reacts differently to attacking a disabled person than to attacking someone with an opinion of being tough.

See, "being tough" mentioned here as a reason not to keep to The Haven rules?


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30 Oct 2019, 4:31 am

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Still, the vox populi reacts differently to attacking a disabled person than to attacking someone with an opinion of being tough.

See, "being tough" mentioned here as a reason not to keep to The Haven rules?


Most people on WP are disabled. Anyone who atracks most anyone on WP is attacking a disabled person.

What I am seeing is that the vax populi are reacting to someone in a way I that have not seen of anyone else in my 6 years here. I am trying to understand why.

Do the people being accused of bullying have a reputation as being bullies, or are they only being bullies in this instance? If so why? That's not some kind of loaded question or me attempting something. I really do not understand.



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30 Oct 2019, 5:02 am

I suspect some intentional PM job. This would make the most sense as OP's behaviors weren't any kind of "on the edge" recently (at least they didn't peak at all), when several attacks from vulnerable members happened in a short time.

However, unless proven, it's just a suspition, nothing more.

I have experienced an attempt of setting me up against some other members by PM, from an now-banned member. So, in general, this is possible. By the way, it was at the time of my deep mental health crisis, so choice of the vulnerable members seems also in place :/


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