I've been offered the COVID vaccine

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Hopefully it is nonsense. I hear a new scaremongering story almost every day, either told by other people or I read in local news articles on the internet (I sometimes look up things from my local gazette on Facebook but I don't know how reliable the news in it is).

I can't remember what the European figure is for deaths attributed to vaccines but in the UK it is over 1,000, that figure is on a government website, the majority died from the AZ version.
If I'm recalling the details correctly, there was a vaccine campaign halted in 1976 after 500 or so died and the vaccine was deemed to be unsafe for that reason.

Any vaccine will result in deaths and we do and should accept those deaths if it means significantly less people die than if no vaccine was used. In healthy children and young healthy adults however, vaccination for Covid is absolutely unacceptable in my view - even if they were long term safe, there is next to no risk to these groups from Covid and we should not be vaccinating them. Vaccines will not prevent children from catching the virus and passing it on.

If only 1 in a million under 18s die of the vaccine, that's still around 10 young people who will die for no good reason.

The vaccines seem to be affecting younger people worse than older people. I think people under 40, with no underlying health conditions, should not be made to have the vaccine if they don't want to. Nearly everyone I know in their 20s and 30s are refusing the vaccine, while almost everyone I know who is older than 50 or elderly want the vaccine. If I was elderly I'd have the vaccine, because the risk of dying from COVID is greater. As a healthy 31-year-old, I don't think I should be forced to have the vaccine. I think all the under 40s should instead have a health check for any underlying conditions and if they don't have any (such as diabetes or athsma) then they don't have to have the vaccine. I think the healthier your immune system is and the younger you are, the more harm the vaccine can do. The older you are or if you have underlying health conditions the more good the vaccine is. Instead of vaccinating people like me, they should be sent over to other countries to be given to vulnerable people.

Read up on “Long Haul COVID,” which primarily affects young people.

There are doctors and scientists pleading to be able to assess and use a known safe drug which treats as well as prevents Covid which could wipe this pandemic of the face of the Earth, but nobody is allowed to talk about it and there is false information being posted to discredit it as an effective remedy. A doctor took it to the senate and apparently youtube took the video down! They remove all references to it if anybody dares to suggest it can be used against Covid. The guy who discovered it 50 years ago was awarded a nobel prize. It is used safely to treat other diseases in Africa.
The problem with it is that its' patent has run out, which means anybody can manufacture it cheaply and there is no profit for big pharma.
If this drug had been accepted as a treatment pre-vaccine, the vaccines would not have been given their emergency status and big pharma would have lost their deals. The whole thing absolutely stinks.
This will be looked back upon someday as one of the greatest scandals in history.

There are a number of false Instagram and Facebook posts/claims going around.

There have been approximately 8 people per day(1,102 in total) in the UK who have died shortly after receiving the vaccine. That however, doesn’t necessarily mean that their deaths were directly related to the vaccine itself. To read more on this ...
https://fullfact.org/online/1102-vaccine-adr-death/

Some Fact Checks Related to Covid:

*Ian Brown wrong to claim Japan refuses blood from anyone who’s been vaccinated

*No evidence Nobel Laureate said vaccinated people will die in two years

*Getting a Covid-19 vaccine doesn’t mean you can connect to Bluetooth

*Having a Covid-19 vaccine doesn’t make you more vulnerable to the disease

*Freedom March video littered with false claims about Covid-19 cures

I'm only a few years older than you and have no underlying health problems. I also tend to live the life a hermit but I still went and got the vaccine(pfizer). I had my second dose on Thursday. My arm got a bit sore that night and was quite sore the next day but I didn't have to deal with it much since my body told me to sleep. So that's what I did and was mostly back to myself the next day (was just tired for bed earlier than normal).

The state(US) I live is one of the places that's reached the 70% vaccination threshold. Where there are a lot of 'older' people here but there is a younger populace from our collages. So there are still quite a few under 40 getting it and are doing just fine. Others I know around my age that have had it, at worst had some mild flu symptoms but it was gone pretty near completely by the third day.

Considering that covid can cause long term problems and a bad case can bring permanent damage to your organs, anything the shot caused is more than worth it to those I know who got it. And I definitely would rather take a nap than get Covid and have to fight it off.

Lostproperty, maybe you genuinely believe in the stories you repeat - but check your sources.

The only way that ended in successful wiping of any disease out of Earth are vaccines - and this has been done.
Treatments don't do it. Look at antibiotics. They're great treatments against bacterial infections - but their side effect is evolving of supergerms. Vaccines don't have such side effects because by limiting infectable population, they limit pathogen's ability to evolve.

There are plenty of people claiming various things on the internet. Youtube is one of the worst possible sources of information because it has no fact checking mechanisms at all but it suggests materials similar to watched so far - deepening any existing biases and creating personal echo chambers.

People are making claims from all sides on all available platforms.

I have no qualifications and maybe you do, but if you do then I very much doubt you are more qualified than the people I trust. I don't believe it is productive to fall into the trap of trading links and names, it becomes tedious and boring, and there are smear campaigns against the people I trust encouraged or funded by corrupt institutions protecting their own self serving interests. Who do fact checkers work for? Who fact checks them? So I don't want to get into that.

Nobody can claim to be certain about anything to do with this situation. As an individual, all you can do is to try and decipher for yourself who is acting in good faith and who is acting in bad faith, who has been bought, who has been conned, who is not afraid to ask questions, who is compromised or too afraid to speak out etc.

The government here have just admitted they are looking into making it compulsory for NHS (health) workers to have the vaccines, which means people within the profession are refusing. Obviously they do talk to one another and they are exposed to what is really happening in front of their own eyes.

is this what you mean?

https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/2020060 ... uine-study

of course I could go on for hours on this, "trumps drug" my arse..

Yes, that is false and very probably an attempt to smear his name to distract people away from what he actually did say, which was to support the hypothesis that vaccinating will only encourage the speed of mutations with potentially disastrous results. There are scientists I respect who dispute this however but it is not something I would rule out. Time will tell.

I'm using general knowledge.
Vaccines entirely eliminated smallpox and largely reduced polio, measles, diphteria, pertussis and several other dangerous diseases. It's routinely applied for diseases with larger pools (both humans and wild animals) like tenatus or rabies. None of these diseases evolved into anything more problematic.
So, this person is talking about something never yet observed as if it was likely.

Most parties don't act in "good faith" or "bad faith" but from some form of selfishness. The selfish interest of British government is not to let NHS collapse because it would be very, very costly.
The question is: Is in this case your selfish interest in line with selfish interest of NHS?

The premise is that we don't vaccinate during a pandemic when the virus has a strong foothold, because you effectively enter into an arms race with it and run the risk of then being unable to control a virus which either adapts to spread more easily or becomes more lethal (to younger people) or both.

The counter argument to this would be that the immune system of people who had sars-1 over a decade ago recognise sars-2 (Covid) which is a 30% mutation. Current mutations are said to be 0.3% from the original sars-2 strain.
The above is my very basic interpretation. I am not a scientist, I'm a simple person attempting to translate what I absorb into very basic English.

Presumably those pushing the arms race hypothesis would say that a small mutation can be catastrophic if that small mutation is key to its' behaviour, but I'm guessing on this. I don't know, they may be claiming the mutation will be more than 30% in a short space of time.

I am able to absorb a lot of information which I can understand for the most part but I'm very poor at relaying it, so you'll have to forgive for that but I'm doing my best here.

Worryingly, governments are talking about regular top up vaccines, how frequent and for how long nobody knows, but that would suggest they are taking the arms race scenario seriously.

FWIK The only mutations vaccinating would encourage directly is being resistant to vaccination. Any mutations with disastrous results would happen anyway. Real danger is not vaccination itself, but false impression if safety, lifting restrictions too early, creating breeding ground and pressure for resistant variants to emerge and spread instead of dying off in isolated cases.

What is frustrating is that any measure would work from the very beginning if all people would just universally comply. All the s**t we are dealing with now is the result of constant arguments, half-ass measures and compromises.

We are almost certainly going to face something far worse than this at some point because the ability to manufacture a virus with little expertise is exponential due to the technology involved.

That this current virus has now been accepted to be potentially man made from 'gain of function' experiments, after a year of denial, underlines the threat we will face in the coming years, be that from a rival super power, a rogue state, terrorists, or even suicide cults or a loan psychotic individual.