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You really need a social worker to help you apply for various programs. It's really the only way I think you could improve your situation.

I don't think it's been mentioned yet, but besides housing and other programs you'd qualify for, I think you're eligible for a free phone provided by the government. My husband has one, and he's on SSDI. It includes unlimited texts and 500 minutes a month.

...Slang-called an : Obamaphone : , at least for now .
At least once , I,ve had one - and my UTTER INCOMPETENCE in tech/cfs helped get in the way .Thereby hangs a story .
At other times I could have tried to get
one , maybe started to _ But , at least at times , my : not having a proper address to give : got in the way , and there,s more to that too .



htprincess"]You really need a social worker to help you apply for various programs. It's really the only way I think you could improve your situation.

I don't think it's been mentioned yet, but besides housing and other programs you'd qualify for, I think you're eligible for a free phone provided by the government. My husband has one, and he's on SSDI. It includes unlimited texts and 500 minutes a month.[/quote]
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Twilightprincess, that's a great idea.

ASS-P, maybe you could give them your General Post delivery address.

...Tobes , it seems for one that at least some of the handlers of Obamaphones demand a : real : address .
As far as the idea that I should enter a :/ home : of some sort , it,s merits aside - I think the argumants over the definition of : board and care home : , : group home : , etcetera are a distraction - There can be different definitions of things .
Someone was speaking of : halfway houses : , a phrase I only know related to places for people coming out of state or federal prision (Or as a more-lenient alternative to) , which is not relevant to me .
(Note: This portable doesn,t have : real : apostrophes or quotation marks on its keyboard , which is why you see those odd marks . I hope that you can figure them out .)
On the 8th on Jan. , IIRC , I have to renew my membership at the Ray and Joan Kroc Center , the Salvation Army center which has the main of the computer labs I spoke/of .
It is $25 a month . Admittedly , for all the : new toy : convenience of using my tablet here , their big sturdy connected desktops are better in a lotta ways . Making such a payment is rather : commiting myself : to another month here . There;s still this next-Monday>
?? hearing that might get me thrown out of and three-months banned from the Sanctuary .
I have been sparing myself the walk there (the Kroc) - you Google Maps fans can see that it is a street back from St. Anthony;s , requiring still more down- and uphill walking , just as SA,s itself requires that , and by the way , beyong
thw among-Market-Street straight bus crawl , you cannot really in my observation take a bus there . Ray Kroc was the , effectively , founder of the McDonalds chain , Joan was his widow . You;
,ll recall they owned the San Diego Padres too .
If i went into a home , money/: stuff : aside , I imagine that , with no material network of friends or family to draw from nearby , I would never have any vistitors ever , or anyone like that take me out , as perfunctory even as something like that may be . I would never get that , I could imagine . I would always be left there .
Furthermore , I imagine that I would never see my brothers face again , certainly in person Or , to really punp up the melodrama , visit my parents, grave .
Is anybody here going to tell me that I ever would ?

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If you make it through the hearing at your shelter and can stay there for a while longer, maybe you could use the shelter's address.

These phones are extremely basic - much simpler than a regular cell phone. If you can post here, you can learn how to use an Obama phone.

Regarding the care home definition, here is the type of home that I am speaking of:

"Supportive Housing Programs provide an alternative living arrangement for individuals who, because of age, disability, substance abuse, mental illness, chronic homelessness or other circumstances, are unable to live independently without care, supervision and/or support to help them in the activities of daily living; or who need access to case management, housing support, vocational, employment and other services to transition to independent living."

It really baffles me how you haven't been referred to one yet, as you meet many of the qualifiers. I think you need to find a social worker but I'm not sure how that is done. Still, we have to keep trying.

I don't know how I missed it, but why is there now a hearing at the shelter?

Apparently he faces a potential 3-month ban from the shelter, due to health issues. And it seems to me, if a person's health issues are too severe for shelter living, the streets are an even worse idea, and a care home would be more appropriate.

Hopefully his HOT team will guide him toward the next step. I found this info page which seems to indicate the HOT team can in fact point him toward whatever community resources are available. (It's true they can't make the official decisions and approvals, but their job is to point him toward the agencies that can help him):

http://sfhomeless.wikia.com/wiki/Homele ... .O.T._Team

I tried to figure out the process involved in getting approved for Supportive Housing, and this seems to be the program in charge of it:

https://www.sfdph.org/dph/comupg/oprogr ... igible.asp

It sounds like he would be put in an SRO situation, similar to what he had before. (Which makes me think he did have a case worker at one point, that got him into that one?)

And unfortunately according to this FAQ, a previous eviction would make him ineligible unless his case manager can prove that the problem has been resolved since then. (Which it hasn't, since it's an ongoing health issue.)

https://www.sfdph.org/dph/files/DAHfile ... 122013.pdf

So it seems his chronic health problems put him at risk for being ineligible for homeless shelters and supportive housing options at this point.

In which case his options are becoming more and more limited: either (a) live on the streets, because he's not healthy enough to qualify for homeless shelters or supportive housing; or (b) accept a more-or-less permanent care home solution, that closes the door to his dream of moving out of state, attending a 4-year residential college, etc.

The official terms I've found for these options include: 'residential housing', 'board and care home', 'assisted living facility', and 'nursing home'. I'm not sure which type ASS-P would qualify for, but I would hope that a person who can't afford regular housing due to disability, and is too sick to live in a homeless shelter or supportive housing, would qualify for one of these programs.

But it does seem to be voluntary, so until ASS-P accepts that he needs a higher level of care, there's not much the HOT team can do, aside from connecting him with free meals, outpatient medical care, and whatever community programs he's capable of taking advantage of, even with severely limiting health problems.

I hope the shelter hearing goes well on Monday, and he can continue to stay there for now. If he can get his current health problems under control, there is hope he could qualify for a supportive housing situation again in the future, whether in SF, or Nashville, or someplace else.

Speaking of Nashville, I too am concerned by DCJ's absence, and hope that he's all right. But I would guess that he won't be in a stable enough position to be helping anyone else for at least another month or so, and in any case the trip would require careful planning, and preferably for ASS-P to be in better health, so it seems the Nashville plan is on the back burner, for the time being.

Take care of yourself, ASS-P... I hope you can get these health problems under control soon!

ASS-P had a social worker, who did point him towards the
SRO he had stayed in previously.

Apparently, another social worker helped him somewhat with his college application. It was for a community college/2 year school.

Apparently, he was thrown out of the SRO because some guy who didn't like him ratted him out about his "elimination problems."

I wish he would cooperate more. He really doesn't want an environment which is, from his viewpoint, restrictive, and would force him to take "basket weaving" classes.

That seems to be the big question here - exactly how restrictive would such a place be? Would it truly close the door to ASS-P being able to follow through with his other life goals, should his health improve in the future?

'Residential Housing' seems to be the same thing as a 'Board and Care Home'. According to this page, there are very few openings for low-income people, and it's designed more for those capable of paying the full cost:

http://www.calregistry.com/housing/bce.htm

If ASS-P is serious about getting help, it seems a Public Guardian would be the person to help advocate for him:

http://www.sfhsa.org/372.htm

ASS-P has been reluctant to accept this option in the past, as it would likely involve the Public Guardian managing his money. I think it's true that some of these care facilities (nursing homes in particular) would budget all of his SSDI money toward living expenses, leaving only $15 a month for personal spending money.

This is a reality that many of us will face at some point (I fully expect that I will) - and it's something I'd like to understand better. I think it would be helpful for ASS-P to know exactly what this entails, so that he can make an informed decision, and not one based on a vague fear of 'basket-weaving'.

So I'll be looking into that some more, but if anyone is knowledgeable about 'residential care home', 'assisted living', or 'nursing home' facilities, please enlighten us on this issue!

This is the main reason why ASS-P needs a case manager more than anything else. A case manager would be able to describe and answer any questions about what a potential (or specific) group home in the area would be like. A case manager would be able to give ASS-P some options that are available which would enable him to make an informed decision better than any of us could online. Then he would help him to get into the program by applying for him and handling all the paperwork. Sometimes these people can pull some strings when a lay person can't.

Why does he not have a worker right now??? I can't emphasize how essential this is if he does, in fact, want to improve his situation.

My husband has a case manager, so I know from experience that it does (and would) make all the difference in the world. They would let him know everything he is eligible for such as housing, food stamps, a cell phone, and other community resources.

Maybe we should limit ourselves to helping him find a case manager because everything else he would need would follow.

My husband has a case worker for free because of his disability. I'm sure ASS-P would qualify as well.

Does ASS-P have Medicaid?

There are so many resources available for people with disabilities...

...I have stated that I could accept some sort of , I guess , : a home : (which means the sort of institution we have been discussing here , okay ? Hardly : home : , for real ) here , I o believe , with an ability to leave if I wanted to , unstopped .
I have acknowledged that , : yeah , yeah , yeah , my bodily conditions...Which DO , as it happens , appear to be lightening now !) .
No . 15 dollars a month pocket money would NOT be acceptable
To spell this out - Yes , of course , a reasonable amount paidby me in such a situatiion m and reasonable demanded chores/whatever , are unnderstandable and acceptable .
Again - I tink many of you are GREATLY OVERESTIMATING the amount of : ready to put
you in a home situation : outfits that you say are just around the corner !
A though - I happened to read oonce , in an AS-oriented magazine , about a - modern-day - young woman with AS/whatever , who entered a group home .
She had a laptop and a cellphone .
The GH immediately confiscated h
both , telling her she was never to have contact with the people she knew before ever/ again , a
only with their approved list for her .
She went to some organization and they fought for her , if there was a case it ended with her getting her stuff back , presubably right to contact those folk - But how many people might,ve been in that same situation and had no one to fight for them , or similar ?
Loads , I imagine . And this was in MODERN times (As , oh class , the laptop and cf would indicate .) - not the 70s/80s .
And , to finish this one off - I will say something I was going to wait a couple of days to say , after something I said remained (As it has up until now ! ) unanswered , as I anticipate/d it would have been -
Going back to my comment imagining myself as the never , ever , visited inmate who never sees his brother,s face or his parents, grave , ever , for the rest of his life (Even in a home situation more acceptable than the girl,s laptop-style one I outlined above-) - None of you , I see , have tried to argue : Oh yes , you would ! : .
Telling .

Your fears are most likely ungrounded. You need a case manager who can answer all your questions about a specific housing situation. Then you could decide whether or not you want to do it. You'll never know for sure unless you get the facts.

I'm sure there are different gradations of group homes. Some probably allow more freedom than others.

Do you have a case manager or social worker?

If you had a worker and you were in a group home, they could help you fight back if you felt your freedom was being infringed upon.