Feel Like I'm Being Forced to Conform
Thank you for helping me get back on track. I think the problem started when I started being given Social Thinking worksheets in my social skills class. I thought it made no sense and was ableist, but I accepted it when I was told that what it was teaching was okay because I was insecure about if I knew what I should do socially. The Social Thinking curriculum was pretty much saying that the NT way is right, and the autistic way is wrong, so I started to do so many things that were unnatural for me that I was no longer able to cope. I think it may have looked like that I was not conforming when really trying to conform was making me exhausted and made me lose sight of what I wanted to do.
I now see clearly that Social Thinking is complete BS and that what you should do in a social situation is a matter of opinion. I will now focus on what I want to do with my life.
I now see clearly that Social Thinking is complete BS and that what you should do in a social situation is a matter of opinion. I will now focus on what I want to do with my life.
I agree with you. They should call it 'Mimicking Normals Because Yer Weird'. I'm sorry you have to take 'social skills' class. That would piss me off no end. It is incredibly ableist and I'm sorry you have been subjected to it.
Just remember, no matter how craptacular things are in high school, it will end and it will be much better at university. You're still going to be weird through your whole life, and it will be awesome for you to be weird at uni, because you will make at least one or two friends who are like-minded and equally brilliant and weird.
High school sucks so much. I reunited online with some high school people, which ended up being a horrible mistake but served to remind me why I hated high school and was so glad to leave it. One dude actually said that 'high school is where we developed into who we are today' and I just thought, man, if you think that, that's really super sad.

Also, I am getting told that I need to conform to be successful. Sometimes it makes me doubt if I ever could be successful because I remember that being concerned about conformity has held me back before. Pretty much, I am being made to believe I am being presented with a Morton's Fork.
I am being told that rejection is a big deal, and when I accept it, I have a meltdown over it and get told that I have to work on being more flexible. When I try to explain to people that what I am being told is preventing me from being flexible, they often don't listen. They say that I should change myself for the world, but it seems like they are just saying I have to comply with whatever other people want, which often are people who fail to change themselves for the world. People are assuming that I am trying not conform because I want to be myself, but I actually see the self as an illusion and I don't conform because I see a lot of social norms as being illogical.
I have dealt with hopelessness and low self-esteem because of this, and because at my school I have to eat too little to comply with the rules at lunchtime, I have at one point eaten so little that I had to stay home from school the next day due to being sick.
I keep looping between realizing that what people are saying is illogical and doubting my own judgement. I need help getting out of this loop.
I have decided that it is best to conform to society to the extent that the experience is a positive one for me. This is more about forming an emulator for intercultural compatibility than forcing myself to be someone who I'm not. It is much like driving. I conform to the rules of the road for safety (in this situation, your safety is intertwined with that of others). When driving, it's imperative that you abide by certain rules so that other drivers can anticipate what you are going to do and respond accordingly. But abiding by these rules does not change who I am, where I am going, the type of car I'm driving, or even my general driving style.
Navigating the social world really isn't any different. There are rules of engagement and etiquette, that help individuals interact in ways favorable to all parties involved.
For example, if I have a runny nose in France, I will blow my nose, as the French consider sniffing extremely rude, and blowing one's nose in public is socially acceptable. If I have a runny nose in Japan, I will sniff, as the Japanese consider blowing one's nose in public extremely rude and unacceptable, and sniffing is socially acceptable. This does not change who I am or oppress my personal being in any way.
In instances where I feel cultural norms do severely conflict with who I am/my personal being, I will weigh the pros and cons of conforming and deviating from these norms. For example, if I were an Afghani woman and felt the burqa was oppressive to my personal being, I would have to ask myself if I would be willing to sacrifice my physical well being or even my life over this issue.
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Also, I am getting told that I need to conform to be successful....
Being false to make friends isn't a good idea. You'll always be acting.
Conforming to be successful can be worth it if you have the capacity to be successful, which it sounds by your grades that you do.
She doesn't like you going off topic!? That's one of my favourite things about having autism.
God what a nightmare! And these people think they're helping.
I now see clearly that Social Thinking is complete BS and that what you should do in a social situation is a matter of opinion. I will now focus on what I want to do with my life.
I agree with you. They should call it 'Mimicking Normals Because Yer Weird'. I'm sorry you have to take 'social skills' class. That would piss me off no end. It is incredibly ableist and I'm sorry you have been subjected to it.
I think that all social skills teaching marketed for autistics have some degree of ableism, but Social Thinking reeks of it. On the other hand, PEERS has some ableism, and there are some things it teaches I don't agree with, but a lot of it makes sense in terms of NT behavior. Also, I am not interested in what it wants autistics to do, but it helps me think about NT behavior.
Also, I am getting told that I need to conform to be successful. Sometimes it makes me doubt if I ever could be successful because I remember that being concerned about conformity has held me back before. Pretty much, I am being made to believe I am being presented with a Morton's Fork.
I am being told that rejection is a big deal, and when I accept it, I have a meltdown over it and get told that I have to work on being more flexible. When I try to explain to people that what I am being told is preventing me from being flexible, they often don't listen. They say that I should change myself for the world, but it seems like they are just saying I have to comply with whatever other people want, which often are people who fail to change themselves for the world. People are assuming that I am trying not conform because I want to be myself, but I actually see the self as an illusion and I don't conform because I see a lot of social norms as being illogical.
I have dealt with hopelessness and low self-esteem because of this, and because at my school I have to eat too little to comply with the rules at lunchtime, I have at one point eaten so little that I had to stay home from school the next day due to being sick.
I keep looping between realizing that what people are saying is illogical and doubting my own judgement. I need help getting out of this loop.
I have decided that it is best to conform to society to the extent that the experience is a positive one for me. This is more about forming an emulator for intercultural compatibility than forcing myself to be someone who I'm not. It is much like driving. I conform to the rules of the road for safety (in this situation, your safety is intertwined with that of others). When driving, it's imperative that you abide by certain rules so that other drivers can anticipate what you are going to do and respond accordingly. But abiding by these rules does not change who I am, where I am going, the type of car I'm driving, or even my general driving style.
I think that insisting on conformity becomes problematic when conforming requires changing the way the brain wires itself, you are told to change your goals, or told that the way you are doing something is the wrong way even though it works. Unfortunately, Social Thinking does this by saying that you must do things the NT way, that you must do things the way it tells you to, and that your purpose in life should be to avoid other people's "weird thoughts" and make sure they have "normal thoughts" about you.
I think my nonconformity is mainly about how I think and feel about things and how I do things. I think I can be described as having the Idiosyncratic Personality Style.
The ideas in social thinking aren't all bad, though they aren't all good either, but I think they were intended to be worked on with a skilled speech therapist, not used as cookie cutter worksheets in a class. Nothing that forces you to try to fit into molds you don't fit into is going to work in the long run, maybe not in the short run either.
I disagree. Social Thinking encourages people to do "expected behavior" to avoid people having "weird thoughts" about you. Plus, it gives these long lists of specific "expected" and "unexpected" behaviors, which is limiting, confuses autistics who often have difficulty with working memory, consumes too much mental energy, and does not help autistics generalize what they learn from it. I don't see how it is not telling you to try to fit into molds.
There are some useful things it teaches, but those are in the minority.
I think the pressure to conform is at its worst in highly hierarchical small groups, like office environments. They often lack a respect for open communication and NTs make poor assumptions about ASD behavior.
I work in such an environment and was unable to handle the social nuances -- although I can handle normal stuff more or less OK (depending on my energy level). I am always "weird" and "a character" but I can usually toe the line.
But my office demanded too much of me, didn't talk to me to try to understand me, and instead made the worst assumptions possible, all behind my back. I picked up on enough signals and became suicidal -- it was a wake-up call and led to my therapist first suggesting I am autistic.
So, I just want to say: some social environments demand a very high level and aren't very forgiving. If you're in a situation like that, you need to either conform (and perform), come clean about being autistic and accept they will likely stigmatize you (and give unsolicited advice about how to conform better, etc.), or just GET OUT.
I am still trying to figure out the right answer for me. I'd like to get out, but I have lost my faith in humanity and think I'm going to be in a tough spot anywhere I go. (I've found some peace in my current situation, but it's fragile and took a lot of work to achieve.)
Basically, my 9th grade civics class voted me "shark bait" in a desert island scenario, and I still haven't escaped the feeling that any social group could do that to me again, this time with real consequences.
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Diagnosed with autism spectrum disorder 19 June 2015.
You don't need to conform unless your eccentricities are actually harming people, in my opinion. Science, like art, is a field where social normalities are not necessarily needed, you will either be impressive with your abilities or you won't. People are afraid of what they don't understand so they instinctively try to push people into conformity.
If you can get a job behind the scenes, which is probably common with science, your proficiency is all that matters. I have a neurotypical friend who works as a science technician and she is the least conformist person I know.
I'm 27 and advise your stay true to yourself and hang in there waiting for the right kind of friends to come into your life, people who don't understand you, especially young people who care WAY too much about fitting in, can really make life harder and hurt your confidence.
Once you find one or two like minded people along the way, you will probably stay friends with those people much longer and find encouragement instead of pressure.
It's an abstract concept, but "be true to your heart!"
You'll be fine, do not waste years on the wrong path trying to play safe and be normal. I made that mistake and never want to go back.
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