Will people committing suicide talk to others about it?

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08 Jan 2011, 2:31 am

"I did attempt suicide when I was 15 and I did not say anything to anyone about it, I even acted like everything was going well."
"I did. He laughed and offered to get me a rope.
"I never talk about mine, I will just look like an attention seeker and a manipulator."
- People who are thinking of suicide never talk about it to anyone because they know the reaction is that the people just won't believe or just don't care. I have thought about it many times in my life but never tell anyone. Who would care, who would bother? So what can talking to anyone be of any use? Besides, being of a religion makes it even tougher - "you're not supposed to even think about it!"
I did call up Befrienders (like Samaritans in US), but seemed they only listen to my frustrations, anger, reasons to die, etc, and that's it! They are just listening, but maybe good listeners though.



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08 Jan 2011, 11:18 am

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They are just listening, but maybe good listeners though.


the lions' share of therapeutic benefit just comes from a sentient being/peer just LISTENING to one.



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08 Jan 2011, 11:34 am

Not everyone who is contemplating suicide will talk about it without prompting. However, often times, people will say things that give you clues, like:

"I just don't know how much more I can take."
"I feel like I can't/don't want to go on any more."
"I wish I could just go to sleep and never wake up again."
"I wonder what it's like to be dead."

Anything that hints that they have lost hope or that they feel they no longer have the will/strength/ability to cope with the world around them are often hints that someone is contemplating suicide, even if they never say the words, "I want to kill myself."

When I wanted to commit suicide, I did not share my feelings with others. It was not until another friend told me that they did not want to continue with life that I verbalized these feelings, and then it was only to this friend. At the time, I was much too afraid to carry my plans out because I feared I would mess up and end up in more pain that I was already. However, I do believe that if I had not had the opportunity to verbalize what I was feeling (which then led to me getting help for coping with the events that causes me to have this desire), I would have become more hopeless as time went on and eventually made an attempt.

This does not mean, however, that people who talk about it openly do not mean to do it. It simply means that these individuals have not completely lost hope that someone else might be able to intervene in their situation. Whereas those who do not talk about it openly have generally lost all hope that anyone or anything other than death can solve their problems.


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08 Jan 2011, 5:54 pm

Sweetleaf - "I did attempt suicide when I was 15 and I did not say anything to anyone about it, I even acted like everything was going well. Of course when my mom came to the emergeny room her first words where 'I had no idea you felt that bad''
- People are funny because if the person tells them, they usually won't believe, but if the person don't tell and later tried committing suicide but somehow survived, the parents will say "Why didn't you tell us?" Funny or not?



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11 Jan 2011, 12:50 pm

Well, I've always felt that people who broadcast their suicide intentions are secretly engaging in their 'desperate cry for help' trump card.

I despise people like that. To quote John Kramer, aka "Jigsaw" from the Saw movie franchise - "Did you [insert suicide method here] because you REALLY wanted to die? Or was it just some pathetic cry for attention?" Well, f**king-A right in my book!

If you're truly serious about wanting to die, and not want people to interfere, keep it to yourself, and don't broadcast your intentions like a coward.

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11 Jan 2011, 12:53 pm

Usagi1992 wrote:
Well, I've always felt that people who broadcast their suicide intentions are secretly engaging in their 'desperate cry for help' trump card.

I despise people like that. To quote John Kramer, aka "Jigsaw" from the Saw movie franchise - "Did you [insert suicide method here] because you REALLY wanted to die? Or was it just some pathetic cry for attention?" Well, f**king-A right in my book!

If you're truly serious about wanting to die, and not want people to interfere, keep it to yourself, and don't broadcast your intentions like a coward.

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What about if you want to say something to a person before you go?
& that's a pretty harsh attitude to take - often when you feel that bad you don't know what to do.
You can't say all people who tell others of their intentions are attention seeking cowards. :roll:



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11 Jan 2011, 1:24 pm

emlion wrote:
Usagi1992 wrote:
Well, I've always felt that people who broadcast their suicide intentions are secretly engaging in their 'desperate cry for help' trump card.

I despise people like that. To quote John Kramer, aka "Jigsaw" from the Saw movie franchise - "Did you [insert suicide method here] because you REALLY wanted to die? Or was it just some pathetic cry for attention?" Well, f**king-A right in my book!

If you're truly serious about wanting to die, and not want people to interfere, keep it to yourself, and don't broadcast your intentions like a coward.

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What about if you want to say something to a person before you go?
& that's a pretty harsh attitude to take - often when you feel that bad you don't know what to do.
You can't say all people who tell others of their intentions are attention seeking cowards. :roll:


This is how everyone found out about me. I knew what was going to happen and decided to let everyone know why I wasnt going to be around anymore. Someone saw my post and called familly which passed it on to here. As fate would have it after a couple of months and with a job I decided I finally had the money to go out like I wanted to. I asked online for help on how to obtain a firearm and someone remembered me from talking about someone elses suicide. Got harrased in the same manner as usagi just did until the cops came to pick me up and drop me in the ward again. Im sure as hell not falling for asking for help ever again.



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11 Jan 2011, 7:14 pm

Usagi1992 wrote:
Well, I've always felt that people who broadcast their suicide intentions are secretly engaging in their 'desperate cry for help' trump card.

I despise people like that. To quote John Kramer, aka "Jigsaw" from the Saw movie franchise - "Did you [insert suicide method here] because you REALLY wanted to die? Or was it just some pathetic cry for attention?" Well, f**king-A right in my book!

If you're truly serious about wanting to die, and not want people to interfere, keep it to yourself, and don't broadcast your intentions like a coward.

Usagi1992


My best friend in middle school talked about it, but I did not know how to get her help. So instead, I had to talk her through things when she took a whole bottle of pills and tried to put herself to sleep with alcohol and pills. The one day I didn't get to talk to her was the day she shot herself. So no, I don't agree that people who talk about it are just trying to play the trump card, and I don't agree that they should keep it to themselves....


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11 Jan 2011, 10:55 pm

A few years ago one of my good friends did. He didn't tell anybody his true feelings, although it was over a girl. To think, one day he could have been married with a wonderful family ..



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11 Jan 2011, 11:30 pm

quesonrias wrote:
Usagi1992 wrote:
Well, I've always felt that people who broadcast their suicide intentions are secretly engaging in their 'desperate cry for help' trump card.

I despise people like that. To quote John Kramer, aka "Jigsaw" from the Saw movie franchise - "Did you [insert suicide method here] because you REALLY wanted to die? Or was it just some pathetic cry for attention?" Well, f**king-A right in my book!

If you're truly serious about wanting to die, and not want people to interfere, keep it to yourself, and don't broadcast your intentions like a coward.

Usagi1992


My best friend in middle school talked about it, but I did not know how to get her help. So instead, I had to talk her through things when she took a whole bottle of pills and tried to put herself to sleep with alcohol and pills. The one day I didn't get to talk to her was the day she shot herself. So no, I don't agree that people who talk about it are just trying to play the trump card, and I don't agree that they should keep it to themselves....


Damn...I feel like an insensitive jerk now. It never occurred to me that the people on this forum might have lost a friend or a loved one to suicide...

And to Emlion - I hadn't thought of that, that a person might want to at least make human contact to make amends before they take that final step.

I guess these are the kind of errors in judgment you make when you live by the philosophies of fictional characters. All I was merely implying was that people shouldn't throw their lives away for some matters that might be trivial; people should always count their blessings in hard times.

My apologies to all who were offended by my choice of words. :cry:

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11 Jan 2011, 11:34 pm

Usagi1992 wrote:

I guess these are the kind of errors in judgment you make when you live by the philosophies of fictional characters. All I was merely implying was that people shouldn't throw their lives away for some matters that might be trivial; people should always count their blessings in hard times.


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For me its not about the blessings and what not. People have tried to guilt trip me out of it by driving me around town and pointing out bums and other things like that. I seriously could not possibly care less, if anything it wants me to kill myself more as to never get to that level.



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12 Jan 2011, 1:13 am

Usagi1992 wrote:
quesonrias wrote:
Usagi1992 wrote:
Well, I've always felt that people who broadcast their suicide intentions are secretly engaging in their 'desperate cry for help' trump card.

I despise people like that. To quote John Kramer, aka "Jigsaw" from the Saw movie franchise - "Did you [insert suicide method here] because you REALLY wanted to die? Or was it just some pathetic cry for attention?" Well, f**king-A right in my book!

If you're truly serious about wanting to die, and not want people to interfere, keep it to yourself, and don't broadcast your intentions like a coward.

Usagi1992


My best friend in middle school talked about it, but I did not know how to get her help. So instead, I had to talk her through things when she took a whole bottle of pills and tried to put herself to sleep with alcohol and pills. The one day I didn't get to talk to her was the day she shot herself. So no, I don't agree that people who talk about it are just trying to play the trump card, and I don't agree that they should keep it to themselves....


Damn...I feel like an insensitive jerk now. It never occurred to me that the people on this forum might have lost a friend or a loved one to suicide...

And to Emlion - I hadn't thought of that, that a person might want to at least make human contact to make amends before the take that final step.

I guess these are the kind of errors in judgment you make when you live by the philosophies of fictional characters. All I was merely implying was that people shouldn't throw their lives away for some matters that might be trivial; people should always count their blessings in hard times.

My apologies to all who were offended by my choice of words. :cry:

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I understood that you were verbalizing, I just felt it was important to point out that one of the biggest myths about suicide is that people who are talking about it aren't going to do it. The latest suicide prevention trainings all teach us to take people seriously when they mention suicide, either directly or indirectly. You never know when you could be the one and only person someone ever tells.

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12 Jan 2011, 3:45 am

Every time I hear of suicidal people broadcasting their intent, I think about some kid on the news who decided to park her car on a railroad track, texted everyone on her contact list about how she was about to kill herself, chickened out soon after the train showed up, and lived while many of the passengers on that train died after it crashed into her car.

I think if anyone wants to kill themselves it's their business, but for the love of God think about it thoroughly and do it responsibly. Doing it in a public place is bad enough since it may potentially traumatize innocent passersby, but changing your mind at the last minute while getting all your friends and family panicked AND getting other people killed in the process? Talk about being attention-seeking, selfish, thoughtless, and idiotic.



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12 Jan 2011, 4:07 am

Usagi1992 wrote:
Well, I've always felt that people who broadcast their suicide intentions are secretly engaging in their 'desperate cry for help' trump card.

I despise people like that. To quote John Kramer, aka "Jigsaw" from the Saw movie franchise - "Did you [insert suicide method here] because you REALLY wanted to die? Or was it just some pathetic cry for attention?" Well, f**king-A right in my book!

If you're truly serious about wanting to die, and not want people to interfere, keep it to yourself, and don't broadcast your intentions like a coward.

Usagi1992


Nothing worse than a desperate person making a desperate cry for help. Why dont they just shut up and do it quietly so i never have to hear about anyone but myself or if i do hear about a problem let it be a insignificant one that doesnt make me think about anything serious like mortality.



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12 Jan 2011, 4:20 am

menintights wrote:
Every time I hear of suicidal people broadcasting their intent, I think about some kid on the news who decided to park her car on a railroad track, texted everyone on her contact list about how she was about to kill herself, chickened out soon after the train showed up, and lived while many of the passengers on that train died after it crashed into her car.

I think if anyone wants to kill themselves it's their business, but for the love of God think about it thoroughly and do it responsibly. Doing it in a public place is bad enough since it may potentially traumatize innocent passersby, but changing your mind at the last minute while getting all your friends and family panicked AND getting other people killed in the process? Talk about being attention-seeking, selfish, thoughtless, and idiotic.


Can we have not have a subforum in the haven where people can go to self-congratulatory complain about those suffering from depression?

Maybe this thread will surfice i dont know.



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12 Jan 2011, 4:36 am

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A few years ago one of my good friends did. He didn't tell anybody his true feelings, although it was over a girl. To think, one day he could have been married with a wonderful family ..

Unfortunately, aspie males will almost always f**k up most interactions with women. I feel God's cursed us.

If I want to kill myself, I have a few ways to go out. Getting ran over by a bus or by a BART/Caltrain train, touching the 1000V DC electric third rail on the BART tracks or bypassing the high voltage interlock loop and touching the hybrid battery service terminals or the bus bars in the drive inverter on my parent's Prius.