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09 Dec 2011, 4:36 pm

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i came into the thread as i thought you were looking for street drugs!!


Have you got any? :P

hahahaha *looks around for narcs*
*waves hyperlexian and Moog over, looks around* Let's go for a stroll in the nearby park. *while walking with hyperlexian and Moog brushing up against sides, hands over blotter acid, keeps walking through park*



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09 Dec 2011, 5:48 pm

marshall wrote:
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i came into the thread as i thought you were looking for street drugs!!


Have you got any? :P


You mean like my leftover stash of Vicodins from my surgery last year? You could intentionally break a leg and the doctor would probably give you a bunch. They tend to give out a prescription for more than you absolutely need. You have to separate out the acetaminophen from the narcotic to really get a high off them though. :P


Oh, there's no such thing as leftover Vicodins! :jester:

Yeah, that's a cold water extraction.

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09 Dec 2011, 5:53 pm

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Ambien. It's fast acting, less than 30 minutes, usually 15 to onset, and it's a good, deep sleep without a hangover. The problem with it for me is that I wake 4 hours after taking it, and can't get back to sleep without taking another one. They recently came out Ambien CR, but I haven't tried it.


AFAIK, the AmbienCR is mostly a way of re-patenting the drug, as it is much more expensive than generic Ambien and does not have a generic version. I've tinkered with the standard pills for years as I have very stubborn insomnia, and I do have one other "trick" that helps with the waking up thing. That is buying empty gel-caps at the pharmacy in several sizes and nesting several of them with a 5mg ambien tablet in the center. I take my normal 10mg pill, and when I start to feel drowsy I take the nested pill. It takes long enough to dissolve, especially if I take it with a little food, that it extends the Ambien effect long enough to let me sleep through the night.

I don't have to go through that anymore because I have access to Klonapin, which is a persistent anti-anxiety drug that seems to synergize with the Ambien and allow me to sleep through the night. If you can get Ambien and not Klonapin though, the nested pill method does work, you just need to account for the extra doses when getting your prescriptions written. Even with the hassle, it's still much cheaper than the Ambien CR.


My problem with Ambien or bezos or any drug that works on GABA receptors is I have to keep increasing the dose to have any effect after a while.

I go back and forth between trazodone (prescription) and melatonin (over the counter). My problem is mainly getting to sleep though. Melatonin can induce an in intense REM cycle which leads to me waking up after 4-5 hours, but I usually fall asleep after that. The trazodone can make it too difficult to wake up if I can't get 7-8 hours of sleep which is why I switch to melatonin on days that I have to rise early.


Ever thought about just going with your natural sleep cycles and trying polyphasic or even just biphasic sleep? Of course if your lifestyle - school, work, whatever - would allow that?

Interesting fact here, during the middle ages, most people slept in biphasic cycles. Especially in winter. Many people went to bed at dark, because there was nothing to do and they couldn't afford all the candles etc to burn to create light. Many peasants were also tired from working in the fields, etc all day so they went right to sleep after eating. They would wake up around midnight and possibly have another snack, check the house, do something they needed to do and could do in an hour or two with only a little light, married couples would sometimes have sex then because they were too tired earlier, etc. They would go back to sleep about two hours later then get up at dawn. It was common for people to go for walks in nice weather, or to have neighbors over for a small meal during the waking period at night.

Frances



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09 Dec 2011, 9:50 pm

OliveOilMom wrote:
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Ambien. It's fast acting, less than 30 minutes, usually 15 to onset, and it's a good, deep sleep without a hangover. The problem with it for me is that I wake 4 hours after taking it, and can't get back to sleep without taking another one. They recently came out Ambien CR, but I haven't tried it.


AFAIK, the AmbienCR is mostly a way of re-patenting the drug, as it is much more expensive than generic Ambien and does not have a generic version. I've tinkered with the standard pills for years as I have very stubborn insomnia, and I do have one other "trick" that helps with the waking up thing. That is buying empty gel-caps at the pharmacy in several sizes and nesting several of them with a 5mg ambien tablet in the center. I take my normal 10mg pill, and when I start to feel drowsy I take the nested pill. It takes long enough to dissolve, especially if I take it with a little food, that it extends the Ambien effect long enough to let me sleep through the night.

I don't have to go through that anymore because I have access to Klonapin, which is a persistent anti-anxiety drug that seems to synergize with the Ambien and allow me to sleep through the night. If you can get Ambien and not Klonapin though, the nested pill method does work, you just need to account for the extra doses when getting your prescriptions written. Even with the hassle, it's still much cheaper than the Ambien CR.


My problem with Ambien or bezos or any drug that works on GABA receptors is I have to keep increasing the dose to have any effect after a while.

I go back and forth between trazodone (prescription) and melatonin (over the counter). My problem is mainly getting to sleep though. Melatonin can induce an in intense REM cycle which leads to me waking up after 4-5 hours, but I usually fall asleep after that. The trazodone can make it too difficult to wake up if I can't get 7-8 hours of sleep which is why I switch to melatonin on days that I have to rise early.


Ever thought about just going with your natural sleep cycles and trying polyphasic or even just biphasic sleep? Of course if your lifestyle - school, work, whatever - would allow that?

Interesting fact here, during the middle ages, most people slept in biphasic cycles. Especially in winter. Many people went to bed at dark, because there was nothing to do and they couldn't afford all the candles etc to burn to create light. Many peasants were also tired from working in the fields, etc all day so they went right to sleep after eating. They would wake up around midnight and possibly have another snack, check the house, do something they needed to do and could do in an hour or two with only a little light, married couples would sometimes have sex then because they were too tired earlier, etc. They would go back to sleep about two hours later then get up at dawn. It was common for people to go for walks in nice weather, or to have neighbors over for a small meal during the waking period at night.

Frances


I think my natural cycle is to sleep from 2:00AM to 7:00AM... get up, shower, do some housework, eat a good breakfast.... nap from 10:00AM to 1:00PM... then be up for the rest of the afternoon into the next night.



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10 Dec 2011, 10:12 am

@Marshall:
Ever tried Amitriptyline? That stuff makes me really sleepy, and in the therapeutic 25mg dose I feel some extra energy after I wake up. I also like that I only have to take it once, and because of the drowsiness that once has to be at night, when I'm taking Ambien anyway. Higher doses were no good, but that 20-50mg range has been pretty good to me, it was definitely better for sleep than Trazadone. Cheap too, in case that matters.


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