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22 Jan 2012, 12:04 am

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@OOM: Why do you keep deleting your posts?
Quite possibly because of you Fnord....
Evidence, please?
Well, you did call her a sh***y parent.

I have never called anyone a "sh***y parent". Don't lie about me.

The_Perfect_Storm wrote:
"So you want to expose yourself, your son, and your teen-age daughter to a man who has been in prison all his life? Where's your sense of parental responsibility?"

I forgot to mention her current husband, so what?

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And you seem to have ignored some of the information OOM has provided.

Only the irrelevant parts.

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Other than that it's just general rudeness and negativity without any real regard for actually solving the problem.

I can not solve her problems for her, but I can illuminate the problems she's making for herself.

The rest is entirely her choice.



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22 Jan 2012, 12:40 am

Fnord wrote:
The_Perfect_Storm wrote:
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@OOM: Why do you keep deleting your posts?
Quite possibly because of you Fnord....
Evidence, please?
Well, you did call her a sh***y parent.

I have never called anyone a "sh***y parent". Don't lie about me.

The_Perfect_Storm wrote:
"So you want to expose yourself, your son, and your teen-age daughter to a man who has been in prison all his life? Where's your sense of parental responsibility?"

I forgot to mention her current husband, so what?

The_Perfect_Storm wrote:
And you seem to have ignored some of the information OOM has provided.

Only the irrelevant parts.

The_Perfect_Storm wrote:
Other than that it's just general rudeness and negativity without any real regard for actually solving the problem.

I can not solve her problems for her, but I can illuminate the problems she's making for herself.

The rest is entirely her choice.


You don't really get it do you.. lol.

"Where's your sense of parental responsibility". That's why I quoted that sentence. The implication is that it's a poor parenting decision. So I said 'sh***y parent'. f**k sake Fnord get it together. I didn't post that there because you 'forgot' the husband (hhaha wtf?). I guess I can see why you were confused. It was on a separate line after all :roll:

You didn't simply choose to ignore the 'irrelevant' parts. For example: "Then he's your ex's problem, not yours". And then a couple of lines later you quote the part where OOM mentions the ex is currently on death row.. You obviously didn't read the posts properly.



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22 Jan 2012, 12:51 am

Hey OliveOilMom

I'm sorry you're going through such a rough spell--I can't imagine how difficult it is.

If you need someone to talk to, feel free to PM me.

And concerning Fnord--I think he means well and wants to give advice; he's just abrasive [to put it generously]. Don't take it personally.

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22 Jan 2012, 12:51 am

OK the problem with this isnt his crime or that he's been in prison. I could give two craps about that. It's that there will be another person living here.

Do any of you really think that somebody who was in prison is so horribly bad to the point of never being nice again? Because no, he's a nice fellow. He would give the shirt off his back for a friend. He saved my life once. He really did, and not metaphorically either. I was about to get killed when he showed up. And thank you God that he did show up. And stepped in and actually got his arm broken saving my ass. So yeah, I owe him something. He never said it and I never said it, but I do. Thats called honor. You may call it honor among thieves cause at the time I was a criminal myself!

But he did, and I respect that, and I know him well enough to know that he will respect my house and my rules here. If you think just cause he's been locked up that he can't you surely are on the wrong planet and we don't need your kind here so please get on the first mothership home!


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22 Jan 2012, 12:52 am

Allow me to point out two things.

-First personal attaks are out of line and you are well aware of that OliveOilMum
-Second the haven is meant to be a place where members can feel supported.... if you dont have anything nice to say dont say anythinh fnord.

Cant reply to the actual thread because its now gone.


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22 Jan 2012, 12:58 am

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Heres your evidence, cause your a douche fnord. There!

Insults are not evidence.

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Why you looking at all my posts anyway? Stalker much? Douchebag much?

I've read your posts in this and other threads, and noticed that you've deleted a few; that is not stalking. Insults don't work with me.

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Ok now lets look at this logically. This is a woman who doesnt mind a man who just got out of prison for 15 years for kidnapping (not a child) and attempted murder( apparantly he has a problem following through) living with her, yet she's mad at YOU! Why don't you think about that fnord? Sleep on it and get back to me. And if your answer tomorrow disparages me in some way, say it to my face. Cause I'll f*** you up.

You have no problem living with a convicted felon, and possibly endangering your children by inviting him to live with them, but you threaten me for pointing it out.

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Nobody asked you to solve my problems for me douchebag! I doubt your solution would work anyway. F*** you.

I'm not trying to solve your problems. I am trying to point out that you may be bringing your problems upon yourself.

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You don't really get it do you.

Actually, I "get it" better than you may think, having had similar experiences with convicts.

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"Where's your sense of parental responsibility". That's why I quoted that sentence. The implication is that it's a poor parenting decision.

Your assessment is correct, so I'll say it outright: I think that inviting a convicted felon to live in a house with children is a poor parenting decision. This is my opinion, and I hope for her kids' sakes that events prove me wrong.

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You didn't simply choose to ignore the 'irrelevant' parts. For example: "Then he's your ex's problem, not yours". And then a couple of lines later you quote the part where OOM mentions he's currently on death row.. You obviously didn't read the posts properly.

I read the posts. My statement involved the use of irony - by saying that one convict is the responsibility of another convict (especially one on death row), I am pointing out that any one convict is as bad as any other. Again, this is my opinion. Again, I hope that events prove me wrong.



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22 Jan 2012, 1:32 am

Fnord wrote:

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You don't really get it do you.

Actually, I "get it" better than you may think, having had similar experiences with convicts.

The_Perfect_Storm wrote:
"Where's your sense of parental responsibility". That's why I quoted that sentence. The implication is that it's a poor parenting decision.

Your assessment is correct, so I'll say it outright: I think that inviting a convicted felon to live in a house with children is a poor parenting decision. This is my opinion, and I hope for her kids' sakes that events prove me wrong.

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You didn't simply choose to ignore the 'irrelevant' parts. For example: "Then he's your ex's problem, not yours". And then a couple of lines later you quote the part where OOM mentions he's currently on death row.. You obviously didn't read the posts properly.

I read the posts. My statement involved the use of irony - by saying that one convict is the responsibility of another convict (especially one on death row), I am pointing out that any one convict is as bad as any other. Again, this is my opinion. Again, I hope that events prove me wrong.


If that was irony, you don't know how to use it properly.

Your assumption that all criminals are likely to be dangerous is wrong. You haven't even taken the man's personality into account. All you knew was he'd been to jail. Obviously there may be an issue there somewhere down the line, but this man has every reason to be on his best behaviour. By the sounds of it OOM is his only friend in the world. The odds of him attacking members of the house are small.

The biggest problem is his adjustment back into society. 15 years is a LONG time. Will he have the social skills to blend back in? There may be a considerable adjustment period. Finding qualified work may be very difficult due to his criminal record and enormous time away from the field. No matter how you look at it this man is likely to be a significant burden. But I don't think he'll be dangerous.

And as for the first sentence up there... no, you don't get it. You still don't get it. In fact that statement shows me you have no idea what I was talking about when I told you you don't get it.



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22 Jan 2012, 1:51 am

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Allow me to point out two things.

-First personal attaks are out of line and you are well aware of that OliveOilMum
-Second the haven is meant to be a place where members can feel supported.... if you dont have anything nice to say dont say anythinh fnord.

Cant reply to the actual thread because its now gone.


Fine, your little Fnord can win. Happy now? Or is that against some rules too? Rules only apply to those who mouth off to the mods favs, I'm sure.

So you know what, get a bucket and.....

BTW, the word is attacks.


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22 Jan 2012, 1:57 am

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Allow me to point out two things.

-First personal attaks are out of line and you are well aware of that OliveOilMum
-Second the haven is meant to be a place where members can feel supported.... if you dont have anything nice to say dont say anythinh fnord.

Cant reply to the actual thread because its now gone.


Yeah I'm aware of it. That personal ataks (sic) are wrong. Why didn't you say that to him? I wonder. (pet)

And if you had actually READ my PM you would know a tad bit more than your all swooping in on us ass seems like.


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22 Jan 2012, 2:03 am

Hold on spongy are you suggesting that Fnord didn't cross the line earlier? If his comments weren't a personal attack I have no idea where you people draw the line.

Besides, I think Fnord's okay with it anyway. He doesn't let insults get to him, which is an awesome skill in my opinion.

@OOM: Why'd you post twice? I had a bit of a laugh at that bucket expression... never heard anything like it before. Cute.

Anyway, best of luck with your decision making process. For some reason I think this thread is likely to be deleted soon.. :roll:

I think the best thing you can do is be honest with yourself in judging what you can handle and what you can't. Have a think about your options just in case things don't go according to plan.



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22 Jan 2012, 2:08 am

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Hold on spongy are you suggesting that Fnord didn't cross the line earlier? If his comments weren't a personal attack I have no idea where you people draw the line.

Besides, I think Fnord's okay with it anyway. He doesn't let insults get to him, which is an awesome skill in my opinion.


I did say that fnord was out of line with his comments(reread point two in case you´ve missed it) but her reply wasnt appropriate and she knows that


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22 Jan 2012, 2:11 am

spongy wrote:
The_Perfect_Storm wrote:
Hold on spongy are you suggesting that Fnord didn't cross the line earlier? If his comments weren't a personal attack I have no idea where you people draw the line.

Besides, I think Fnord's okay with it anyway. He doesn't let insults get to him, which is an awesome skill in my opinion.


I did say that fnord was out of line with his comments(reread point two in case you´ve missed it) but her reply wasnt appropriate and she knows that


Yes, his comments weren't supportive enough for you. But you didn't regard them as personal attacks.

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but her reply wasnt appropriate and she knows that


It was pretty funny though.



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22 Jan 2012, 2:12 am

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Allow me to point out two things.

-First personal attaks are out of line and you are well aware of that OliveOilMum
-Second the haven is meant to be a place where members can feel supported.... if you dont have anything nice to say dont say anythinh fnord.

Cant reply to the actual thread because its now gone.


Fine, your little Fnord can win. Happy now? Or is that against some rules too? Rules only apply to those who mouth off to the mods favs, I'm sure.

So you know what, get a bucket and.....

BTW, the word is attacks.


Its not about either of you winning and I dont have any personal bias here. As a matter of fact if you ask him you´ll see that we´ve had our issues.

It is however about members following the rules and you being told this is out of line several hours before the attacks here happened.

Just so you know it wasnt me the one that spotted the original attack but the mod in question had to go to sleep and asked me to take care of things.


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22 Jan 2012, 2:18 am

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Hold on spongy are you suggesting that Fnord didn't cross the line earlier? If his comments weren't a personal attack I have no idea where you people draw the line.

Besides, I think Fnord's okay with it anyway. He doesn't let insults get to him, which is an awesome skill in my opinion.


I did say that fnord was out of line with his comments(reread point two in case you´ve missed it) but her reply wasnt appropriate and she knows that


Yes, his comments weren't supportive enough for you. But you didn't regard them as personal attacks.

Thats because he didnt go as far as calling her douchebag several times and telling her to f*** herself.

She on the other hand has created a thread for publicly shaming him that had to be removed and called him a douchebag several times.

I encouraged her to try to sort things out with him by PM or something and all I got is its fine Ive already insulted him elsewhere so Im letting her know thats not the way of dealing with things here.

Edit: I believe my move is pretty clear. I was giving her a chance to explain herself, she choose to continue the personal attacks so all posts containing personal attacks have now been removed


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22 Jan 2012, 2:26 am

spongy wrote:
The_Perfect_Storm wrote:
spongy wrote:
The_Perfect_Storm wrote:
Hold on spongy are you suggesting that Fnord didn't cross the line earlier? If his comments weren't a personal attack I have no idea where you people draw the line.

Besides, I think Fnord's okay with it anyway. He doesn't let insults get to him, which is an awesome skill in my opinion.


I did say that fnord was out of line with his comments(reread point two in case you´ve missed it) but her reply wasnt appropriate and she knows that


Yes, his comments weren't supportive enough for you. But you didn't regard them as personal attacks.

Thats because he didnt go as far as calling her douchebag several times and telling her to f*** herself.


He is a douchebag and he should go f**k himself. I doubt anyone else will want to, so it's up to him now isn't it.

She on the other hand has created a thread for publicly shaming him that had to be removed and called him a douchebag several times.

I said in ONE THREAD that he had PISSED ME OFF. That's owning my own emotion, or didn't you get the memo chicklet? As for shame, he wouldn't know it if it bit him on the ass. Stop being so oversensitive "Oh God she shamed him by saying he pissed her off!" Grow the f**k up like the rest of us! Did HE whine about it? I seriously doubt it. It's only you types that do. And he IS a douchebag! That doesn't mean anything horrible, my oldest son is a douchebag, and you let me say that plenty of times! Whats the difference, huh spongey????

I encouraged her to try to sort things out with him by PM or something and all I got is its fine Ive already insulted him elsewhere so Im letting her know thats not the way of dealing with things here.


You didn't do anything of the sort in your PM! It was some half ass whiney backassward "Well we all think you were wrong so here ya go" in an Eyore voice! Grow the f**k up!


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22 Jan 2012, 2:31 am

spongy wrote:
The_Perfect_Storm wrote:
spongy wrote:
The_Perfect_Storm wrote:
Hold on spongy are you suggesting that Fnord didn't cross the line earlier? If his comments weren't a personal attack I have no idea where you people draw the line.

Besides, I think Fnord's okay with it anyway. He doesn't let insults get to him, which is an awesome skill in my opinion.


I did say that fnord was out of line with his comments(reread point two in case you´ve missed it) but her reply wasnt appropriate and she knows that


Yes, his comments weren't supportive enough for you. But you didn't regard them as personal attacks.

Thats because he didnt go as far as calling her douchebag several times and telling her to f*** herself.

She on the other hand has created a thread for publicly shaming him that had to be removed and called him a douchebag several times.

I encouraged her to try to sort things out with him by PM or something and all I got is its fine Ive already insulted him elsewhere so Im letting her know thats not the way of dealing with things here.

Edit: I believe my move is pretty clear. I was giving her a chance to explain herself, she choose to continue the personal attacks so all posts containing personal attacks have now been removed


She tried to make an anti-Fnord thread? Interesting. Fair enough. I still consider Fnords comments to be a personal attack even if they didn't go as far as swearing, though I can't say I really mind.