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22 Jan 2012, 6:32 pm
anonymous-shyster wrote:
For some reason the topic reminded me of this: Lasagne Cat
Actually, the song itself "Suicide Is Painless" reminds me of nachos.
Dead people don't though.
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22 Jan 2012, 6:36 pm
22 Jan 2012, 6:37 pm
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22 Jan 2012, 6:43 pm
I do understand how someone feels that way. I've tried it before myself.
I didn't mean to be smug at all.
I only wanted to voice the huge pain that others feel after someone they love does that. I thought of it because of so many on here talking about suicide.
I do think that if people truly want to do it, there should be easier and less painful ways of it. Doctor assisted. But only after they have talked to those who will be devistated by it, or who will bury them.
If I had a seriously painful incurable disease, I would probably opt out before the pain got just too bad. Then again, I might not. I know that for myself it was the idea of commiting suicide moreso than the fact of actually dying that was the lure. I'm not saying that everyone else feels this way. I'm only saying I did.
I can really only try to understand someone else's experience by looking at it with my own experiences. Thats all that most of us (humans, not use those of us on the spectrum) can do.
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22 Jan 2012, 6:47 pm
22 Jan 2012, 6:52 pm
Are you for real?
OliveOilMom wrote:
Well, not for those who are left here.
I purposefully left the thread title ambigious so that maybe those who are suicidal will read it.
Now, I won't try and talk you out of it. Hell, I've thought of it before. I've tried it, but apparantly I suck at it. Now, if you want to off yourself, go ahead and go get your pills ready, or load your gun or sharpen your knife but just read this first. Cause it's not about you. Or your feelings.
I purposefully left the thread title ambigious so that maybe those who are suicidal will read it.
Now, I won't try and talk you out of it. Hell, I've thought of it before. I've tried it, but apparantly I suck at it. Now, if you want to off yourself, go ahead and go get your pills ready, or load your gun or sharpen your knife but just read this first. Cause it's not about you. Or your feelings.
Yes it is.
OliveOilMom wrote:
I'll say it bluntly. You are going to leave an assload of people really upset and pissed off. "Oh, they'll get over it, I'm not that important, they didn't care anyway". Is that what you REALLY THINK???
Yes
OliveOilMom wrote:
I'm gonna clue you in here, on a little secret.
Yeah, you're that important. Is that REALLY HOW you want to be remembered?
When you do successfully carry out this mission (if you choose to accept it) you will have a huge impact on everybody who even vaguely knew you.
They will have horrible guilt and anger and sadness.
But you wont be there to enjoy it.
Yeah, you're that important. Is that REALLY HOW you want to be remembered?
When you do successfully carry out this mission (if you choose to accept it) you will have a huge impact on everybody who even vaguely knew you.
They will have horrible guilt and anger and sadness.
But you wont be there to enjoy it.
Enjoy it???????????? Why would anybody enjoy it?
OliveOilMom wrote:
Heres a story for ya. You knew I was going for a story didn't you?
No
OliveOilMom wrote:
You were right! 21 years ago (yeah that long ago) I had ran back into a friend from high school. We got to be friends. I was married. He knew that. He fell in love and wanted me to leave my husband. No amount of talking to him helped. I loved him. He was a good friend.
What happened was, was this.
I finally stopped talking to him. He apprantly (I know this from his own notes left by him in the freaking mail to me delivered the Monday after his death!! !!) thought he was going to go out like Socrates his hero, or some romantic Shakesperean dude. Well, he didnt. Know how he died?
He snorted a whole buttload of Ketamine then he drank a pint of whiskey then the cut his wrists. That didn't kill him. Know what did? Choking on his own vomit. His mother found him in his room puking and chocking. She called 911. Oh he was conscious. I talked to the doctors. I talked to his preacher who came up there even. He was talking and conscious but they couldn't oxygenate him. He had soaked his own lungs with vomit to the point that he couldn't breathe.
He was there right up until the end. He said "Mama stay with me" Then he breathed real hard a lot and then he died. There was nothing they could do. His mother had to stand there and watch that.
Real romantic suicide huh?
What happened was, was this.
I finally stopped talking to him. He apprantly (I know this from his own notes left by him in the freaking mail to me delivered the Monday after his death!! !!) thought he was going to go out like Socrates his hero, or some romantic Shakesperean dude. Well, he didnt. Know how he died?
He snorted a whole buttload of Ketamine then he drank a pint of whiskey then the cut his wrists. That didn't kill him. Know what did? Choking on his own vomit. His mother found him in his room puking and chocking. She called 911. Oh he was conscious. I talked to the doctors. I talked to his preacher who came up there even. He was talking and conscious but they couldn't oxygenate him. He had soaked his own lungs with vomit to the point that he couldn't breathe.
He was there right up until the end. He said "Mama stay with me" Then he breathed real hard a lot and then he died. There was nothing they could do. His mother had to stand there and watch that.
Real romantic suicide huh?
I doubt that his intentions were to be romantic.
OliveOilMom wrote:
I went to his funeral. I knew he did it over me. I saw him in his casket, all nice and clean in his suit. Everybody knew why he did it. It was horrible for me to be there!
I had a lot of therapy after.
Heres the thing though. That you folks might want to know.
It's been 21 years this May. May 26th actually. Know what I remember? Not some romantic notion. Not something I should have done. I remember the pain he threw at me from the freaking grave. The hurt. The depression! I don't remember HIM ever, when his name comes up, I remember the pain I felt at his death!
In other words, it did not turn out the way he wanted.
Ever thought that it may not have been just about you?
I do visit his grave, once a year, on his death. I tell him "kiss my a** you have no power over me now!"
I had a lot of therapy after.
Heres the thing though. That you folks might want to know.
It's been 21 years this May. May 26th actually. Know what I remember? Not some romantic notion. Not something I should have done. I remember the pain he threw at me from the freaking grave. The hurt. The depression! I don't remember HIM ever, when his name comes up, I remember the pain I felt at his death!
In other words, it did not turn out the way he wanted.
Ever thought that it may not have been just about you?
I do visit his grave, once a year, on his death. I tell him "kiss my a** you have no power over me now!"
The fact that you have to do this every year suggests otherwise.
OliveOilMom wrote:
It did not in any way turn out like he wanted.
How do you know what he wanted?
It never does.
So, do you just want to end your pain, or do you just want to screw everybody else up?
It's up to you.
The song says suicide is painless, and it might be. For you.
But its damn sure not for us!
How do you know what he wanted?
It never does.
So, do you just want to end your pain, or do you just want to screw everybody else up?
It's up to you.
The song says suicide is painless, and it might be. For you.
But its damn sure not for us!
Yes because that's what I would be thinking if I was on the brink of suicide, what would this uncaring witch think after I am gone?
22 Jan 2012, 7:05 pm
Fnord wrote:
CaptainTrips222 wrote:
Fnord wrote:
Angel_ryan wrote:
... you make suicidal people sound like sociopaths. Which is a little unfair in my opinion.
In my opinion, those who commit suicide or murder are either narcissistic or sociopathic. I have arthritis. I've been injured in falls and beatings. I've received several electrical shocks, one of which stopped my heart, and another which re-started it. I am in constant pain, and often sleep less than 4 hours out of 24 because of it.
My father physically and emotionally abused me. I have been mugged and beaten. I've experienced first-hand the deprivations of military service and battlefield conditions.
I know chronic and intense pain, both physical and emotional.
I have not committed nor even attempted suicide.
Pain is inevitable. Misery is a choice.
Good for you Fnord, you have once again proved how tough and non empathetic you are.
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22 Jan 2012, 7:15 pm
Freak-Z wrote:
Are you for real?
Yep
Yes it is.
This thread isn't. It's for those left here.
Yes
I bet you are wrong, that people do care. You just can't feel it when you are that depressed. I know I couldn't
Enjoy it???????????? Why would anybody enjoy it?
Sometimes suicidal gestures or attempts that actually succeed are gestures to make others see how actually bad their pain is. That's why.
No
Did this really need a seperate answer? It was rhetorical.[b]
I doubt that his intentions were to be romantic.
Thats not what his letters said.
The fact that you have to do this every year suggests otherwise.
Yes because that's what I would be thinking if I was on the brink of suicide, what would this uncaring witch think after I am gone?
[b]Yep
OliveOilMom wrote:
Well, not for those who are left here.
I purposefully left the thread title ambigious so that maybe those who are suicidal will read it.
Now, I won't try and talk you out of it. Hell, I've thought of it before. I've tried it, but apparantly I suck at it. Now, if you want to off yourself, go ahead and go get your pills ready, or load your gun or sharpen your knife but just read this first. Cause it's not about you. Or your feelings.
I purposefully left the thread title ambigious so that maybe those who are suicidal will read it.
Now, I won't try and talk you out of it. Hell, I've thought of it before. I've tried it, but apparantly I suck at it. Now, if you want to off yourself, go ahead and go get your pills ready, or load your gun or sharpen your knife but just read this first. Cause it's not about you. Or your feelings.
Yes it is.
This thread isn't. It's for those left here.
OliveOilMom wrote:
I'll say it bluntly. You are going to leave an assload of people really upset and pissed off. "Oh, they'll get over it, I'm not that important, they didn't care anyway". Is that what you REALLY THINK???
Yes
I bet you are wrong, that people do care. You just can't feel it when you are that depressed. I know I couldn't
OliveOilMom wrote:
I'm gonna clue you in here, on a little secret.
Yeah, you're that important. Is that REALLY HOW you want to be remembered?
When you do successfully carry out this mission (if you choose to accept it) you will have a huge impact on everybody who even vaguely knew you.
They will have horrible guilt and anger and sadness.
But you wont be there to enjoy it.
Yeah, you're that important. Is that REALLY HOW you want to be remembered?
When you do successfully carry out this mission (if you choose to accept it) you will have a huge impact on everybody who even vaguely knew you.
They will have horrible guilt and anger and sadness.
But you wont be there to enjoy it.
Enjoy it???????????? Why would anybody enjoy it?
Sometimes suicidal gestures or attempts that actually succeed are gestures to make others see how actually bad their pain is. That's why.
OliveOilMom wrote:
Heres a story for ya. You knew I was going for a story didn't you?
No
Did this really need a seperate answer? It was rhetorical.[b]
OliveOilMom wrote:
You were right! 21 years ago (yeah that long ago) I had ran back into a friend from high school. We got to be friends. I was married. He knew that. He fell in love and wanted me to leave my husband. No amount of talking to him helped. I loved him. He was a good friend.
What happened was, was this.
I finally stopped talking to him. He apprantly (I know this from his own notes left by him in the freaking mail to me delivered the Monday after his death!! !!) thought he was going to go out like Socrates his hero, or some romantic Shakesperean dude. Well, he didnt. Know how he died?
He snorted a whole buttload of Ketamine then he drank a pint of whiskey then the cut his wrists. That didn't kill him. Know what did? Choking on his own vomit. His mother found him in his room puking and chocking. She called 911. Oh he was conscious. I talked to the doctors. I talked to his preacher who came up there even. He was talking and conscious but they couldn't oxygenate him. He had soaked his own lungs with vomit to the point that he couldn't breathe.
He was there right up until the end. He said "Mama stay with me" Then he breathed real hard a lot and then he died. There was nothing they could do. His mother had to stand there and watch that.
Real romantic suicide huh?
What happened was, was this.
I finally stopped talking to him. He apprantly (I know this from his own notes left by him in the freaking mail to me delivered the Monday after his death!! !!) thought he was going to go out like Socrates his hero, or some romantic Shakesperean dude. Well, he didnt. Know how he died?
He snorted a whole buttload of Ketamine then he drank a pint of whiskey then the cut his wrists. That didn't kill him. Know what did? Choking on his own vomit. His mother found him in his room puking and chocking. She called 911. Oh he was conscious. I talked to the doctors. I talked to his preacher who came up there even. He was talking and conscious but they couldn't oxygenate him. He had soaked his own lungs with vomit to the point that he couldn't breathe.
He was there right up until the end. He said "Mama stay with me" Then he breathed real hard a lot and then he died. There was nothing they could do. His mother had to stand there and watch that.
Real romantic suicide huh?
I doubt that his intentions were to be romantic.
Thats not what his letters said.
OliveOilMom wrote:
I went to his funeral. I knew he did it over me. I saw him in his casket, all nice and clean in his suit. Everybody knew why he did it. It was horrible for me to be there!
I had a lot of therapy after.
Heres the thing though. That you folks might want to know.
It's been 21 years this May. May 26th actually. Know what I remember? Not some romantic notion. Not something I should have done. I remember the pain he threw at me from the freaking grave. The hurt. The depression! I don't remember HIM ever, when his name comes up, I remember the pain I felt at his death!
In other words, it did not turn out the way he wanted.
Ever thought that it may not have been just about you?
I do visit his grave, once a year, on his death. I tell him "kiss my a** you have no power over me now!"
I had a lot of therapy after.
Heres the thing though. That you folks might want to know.
It's been 21 years this May. May 26th actually. Know what I remember? Not some romantic notion. Not something I should have done. I remember the pain he threw at me from the freaking grave. The hurt. The depression! I don't remember HIM ever, when his name comes up, I remember the pain I felt at his death!
In other words, it did not turn out the way he wanted.
Ever thought that it may not have been just about you?
I do visit his grave, once a year, on his death. I tell him "kiss my a** you have no power over me now!"
The fact that you have to do this every year suggests otherwise.
OliveOilMom wrote:
It did not in any way turn out like he wanted.
How do you know what he wanted?
From his letters.
It never does.
So, do you just want to end your pain, or do you just want to screw everybody else up?
It's up to you.
The song says suicide is painless, and it might be. For you.
But its damn sure not for us!
How do you know what he wanted?
From his letters.
It never does.
So, do you just want to end your pain, or do you just want to screw everybody else up?
It's up to you.
The song says suicide is painless, and it might be. For you.
But its damn sure not for us!
Yes because that's what I would be thinking if I was on the brink of suicide, what would this uncaring witch think after I am gone?
I doubt you and I would be friends so close that I would feel that over you. I'm not saying at all that you don't deserve that kind of compassion and love, I'm just saying I bet we wouldn't hit it off to begin with. So I doubt I would ever be an issue to you in that kind of a big decision.
But I bet there are some who would.
My point is, that one person's suicide can really mess up many other people's lives. And if you do care about them so much, ie; "they would be better off without me" reasoning, then why wouldn't you truly consider the feelings they will actually have after? This is not a blanket statement.[b]
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22 Jan 2012, 7:15 pm
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22 Jan 2012, 7:17 pm
Fnord wrote:
Freak-Z wrote:
Fnord wrote:
CaptainTrips222 wrote:
Fnord wrote:
Angel_ryan wrote:
... you make suicidal people sound like sociopaths. Which is a little unfair in my opinion.
In my opinion, those who commit suicide or murder are either narcissistic or sociopathic. My father physically and emotionally abused me. I have been mugged and beaten. I've experienced first-hand the deprivations of military service and battlefield conditions. I know chronic and intense pain, both physical and emotional. I have not committed nor even attempted suicide. Pain is inevitable. Misery is a choice.
Virtuous aspects, indeed!
The alternatives would be "weak" and "sensitive" - two traits common to losers.
I wouldnt say that all those who are weak or sensitive are losers. I'd say that they have different abilities than we might. Someone who you might consider a loser might be able to talk to an actual suicidal person better than you or I might. I would say thats probably pretty successful then.
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