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22 Feb 2012, 2:16 pm

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Same thing goes for men. You see the type out there that has everything fall on their laps and there not even something to blame like looks or whatnot. Its even more frustrating/confusing


It depends on what you live for, money isn't indicative of character since it can inherited or stolen, simply because someone is given an opportunity or has a silver spoon in their mouth doesn't mean they are better than anyone else. Not every successful person simply gets success handed to them overnight by some magic potion, most people have to face rejection to an extent before they get a break.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/ar ... bbean.html

Look at this article, Johnny depp even says they called him box office poison for 20 years before appearing in Pirates of the Caribbean, he even states he had to build a career on 20 years of failures and Disney wanted to fire him. If people like him have to work hard for 20 years for success, he even states he had to build a career on 20 years of failures and now he's the biggest paid actor in the world, I think it shows a conviction.


Im not talking about celebrities. you're trying to argue a point i never made. All Im saying is theres plenty of people out there that have things theyve not done much to recieve when plenty others struggle daily and cant get them. It can be money, looks, popularity, carreer, etc.


What good can come of comparing yourself to people that are more fortunate? People that go further to achieve what they want to achieve deserve more respect and have more conviction, people have more gratitude and value it more when they have to work harder for it, even more so if the odds are against that person.

Look at every artist, producer, director, film star, musician, the work they create when they are hungry is the best work they create.



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22 Feb 2012, 2:21 pm

Wolfheart wrote:
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MXH wrote:
Same thing goes for men. You see the type out there that has everything fall on their laps and there not even something to blame like looks or whatnot. Its even more frustrating/confusing


It depends on what you live for, money isn't indicative of character since it can inherited or stolen, simply because someone is given an opportunity or has a silver spoon in their mouth doesn't mean they are better than anyone else. Not every successful person simply gets success handed to them overnight by some magic potion, most people have to face rejection to an extent before they get a break.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/ar ... bbean.html

Look at this article, Johnny depp even says they called him box office poison for 20 years before appearing in Pirates of the Caribbean, he even states he had to build a career on 20 years of failures and Disney wanted to fire him. If people like him have to work hard for 20 years for success, he even states he had to build a career on 20 years of failures and now he's the biggest paid actor in the world, I think it shows a conviction.


Im not talking about celebrities. you're trying to argue a point i never made. All Im saying is theres plenty of people out there that have things theyve not done much to recieve when plenty others struggle daily and cant get them. It can be money, looks, popularity, carreer, etc.


What good can come of comparing yourself to people that are more fortunate? People that go further to achieve what they want to achieve deserve more respect and have more conviction, people have more gratitude and value it more when they have to work harder for it, even more so if the odds are against that person.

Look at every artist, producer, director, film star, musician, the work they create when they are hungry is the best work they create.


This thread isn't a rant about successful people. It's a rant about people who do well in life when they do sweet f*ck all to get there. I don't know why you're even bringing up people who work hard for what they've got.



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22 Feb 2012, 2:25 pm

hale_bopp wrote:
Wolfheart wrote:
MXH wrote:
Wolfheart wrote:
MXH wrote:
Same thing goes for men. You see the type out there that has everything fall on their laps and there not even something to blame like looks or whatnot. Its even more frustrating/confusing


It depends on what you live for, money isn't indicative of character since it can inherited or stolen, simply because someone is given an opportunity or has a silver spoon in their mouth doesn't mean they are better than anyone else. Not every successful person simply gets success handed to them overnight by some magic potion, most people have to face rejection to an extent before they get a break.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/ar ... bbean.html

Look at this article, Johnny depp even says they called him box office poison for 20 years before appearing in Pirates of the Caribbean, he even states he had to build a career on 20 years of failures and Disney wanted to fire him. If people like him have to work hard for 20 years for success, he even states he had to build a career on 20 years of failures and now he's the biggest paid actor in the world, I think it shows a conviction.


Im not talking about celebrities. you're trying to argue a point i never made. All Im saying is theres plenty of people out there that have things theyve not done much to recieve when plenty others struggle daily and cant get them. It can be money, looks, popularity, carreer, etc.


What good can come of comparing yourself to people that are more fortunate? People that go further to achieve what they want to achieve deserve more respect and have more conviction, people have more gratitude and value it more when they have to work harder for it, even more so if the odds are against that person.

Look at every artist, producer, director, film star, musician, the work they create when they are hungry is the best work they create.


This thread isn't a rant about successful people. It's a rant about people who do well in life when they do sweet f*ck all to get there. I don't know why you're even bringing up people who work hard for what they've got.


I'm saying that sometimes it's better to not be born with a silver spoon because when you work for it, you have more value and gratitude towards it. Also when you work for it, people have more respect for you. For instance, Is Paris Hilton ever going to compared to the likes of Leonardo Da Vinci? Of course not, she will be known as someone that inherited her wealth and fame without obtaining it through a particular skill or talent.



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22 Feb 2012, 2:38 pm

Wolfheart wrote:
hale_bopp wrote:
Wolfheart wrote:
MXH wrote:
Wolfheart wrote:
MXH wrote:
Same thing goes for men. You see the type out there that has everything fall on their laps and there not even something to blame like looks or whatnot. Its even more frustrating/confusing


It depends on what you live for, money isn't indicative of character since it can inherited or stolen, simply because someone is given an opportunity or has a silver spoon in their mouth doesn't mean they are better than anyone else. Not every successful person simply gets success handed to them overnight by some magic potion, most people have to face rejection to an extent before they get a break.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/ar ... bbean.html

Look at this article, Johnny depp even says they called him box office poison for 20 years before appearing in Pirates of the Caribbean, he even states he had to build a career on 20 years of failures and Disney wanted to fire him. If people like him have to work hard for 20 years for success, he even states he had to build a career on 20 years of failures and now he's the biggest paid actor in the world, I think it shows a conviction.


Im not talking about celebrities. you're trying to argue a point i never made. All Im saying is theres plenty of people out there that have things theyve not done much to recieve when plenty others struggle daily and cant get them. It can be money, looks, popularity, carreer, etc.


What good can come of comparing yourself to people that are more fortunate? People that go further to achieve what they want to achieve deserve more respect and have more conviction, people have more gratitude and value it more when they have to work harder for it, even more so if the odds are against that person.

Look at every artist, producer, director, film star, musician, the work they create when they are hungry is the best work they create.


This thread isn't a rant about successful people. It's a rant about people who do well in life when they do sweet f*ck all to get there. I don't know why you're even bringing up people who work hard for what they've got.


I'm saying that sometimes it's better to not be born with a silver spoon because when you work for it, you have more value and gratitude towards it. Also when you work for it, people have more respect for you. For instance, Is Paris Hilton ever going to compared to the likes of Leonardo Da Vinci? Of course not, she will be known as someone that inherited her wealth and fame without obtaining it through a particular skill or talent.


Although I sort of mean people who are born into money, I am more talking about people who are in the right place at the right time, and get handed an opportunity on a plate when the rest of us have to devote life to getting even half way there.

Anyway, the sort of thing I am talking about, average people don't have the chance to achieve in their life.



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22 Feb 2012, 5:14 pm

There are definitely people who are lucky in life. I suspect they are the kind of people who are so much like everyone else that they just fit in well. Their social language is the same as most everyone else's. I've never aspired to be like everyone else so it doesn't bother me that I don't fit in when other people do.

Yes, it bothers me that I can't seem to be at ease with most of the world, but I don't begrudge other people's success. I suppose it doesn't hurt that, while I can't seem to form intimate relationships, at least I can earn a living and have a few friends that I can rely on.


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22 Feb 2012, 5:33 pm

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Other women who hit it big in life and their career simply because they're good looking and are in the right place.

It's like they won the "life lottery".

They're nothing until one day someone comes up to them and gives them an offer that makes them, and they don't even have to do ANYTHING to get that opportunity, where the rest of us have to work our arse off for even 1% of that glory.

:cry:


Isn't it the same for men too?

Either way, you deserve a hug. *Hugs*

You should watch "In Time" where the tables are turned. 8)



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22 Feb 2012, 6:25 pm

Well to reverse the perspective for a moment. One could flip the coin in how you view such people and say well given the chance you've had in life given the privileges you've been born into given the wealth you enjoy is that all you can do?

For example. In the country I live in Prince William is the same age as me and he is second in line to inherit the British Crown upon the death of Elizabeth I and his father Prince Charles. He was born into wealth, privilege and status.

What has he done with his life? He's currently a helicopter pilot for the sea rescue branch of the Royal Air Force. A rather noble job one might think, but he's currently based on the poxy Falkland Islands in the middle of nowhere. probably cause its easier to manage his security. Then look at what his mother did, the late princess Diana and her charity work and awareness she did for AIDS, Land mine victims and the various causes she championed in the press prior to her easily explainable straight forward death in a road accident. (sorry conspiracy nuts your on your own for that one)

You compare that legacy to him and you think to yourself, is that all you can do is be a helicopter pilot in the airforce? Your the prince of the worlds 5th wealthiest nation on the planet and in your 30 years of existence all you've managed to achieve is becoming a helicopter pilot and married some nob head from your "productive" university course were you got a degree in the "history of arse(art)" at a scottish university that you held hostage for 3 years from all the overkill of security.

So it doesn't have to be an exercise in self depreciation when examining such folk. I don't see too many of them being happy given how many of these so called celebrities seem to end up in rehabilitation services and be on the end of constant media attention.

Rather then focusing on what others have and the advantages they have over you it's more productive to appreciate the things you may take for granted or not even acknowledged are the "silver spoons" and privilege's that others less fortunate then yourself may find to envy in you.


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22 Feb 2012, 6:35 pm

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Well to reverse the perspective for a moment. One could flip the coin in how you view such people and say well given the chance you've had in life given the privileges you've been born into given the wealth you enjoy is that all you can do?

For example. In the country I live in Prince William is the same age as me and he is second in line to inherit the British Crown upon the death of Elizabeth I and his father Prince Charles. He was born into wealth, privilege and status.

What has he done with his life? He's currently a helicopter pilot for the sea rescue branch of the Royal Air Force. A rather noble job one might think, but he's currently based on the poxy Falkland Islands in the middle of nowhere. probably cause its easier to manage his security. Then look at what his mother did, the late princess Diana and her charity work and awareness she did for AIDS, Land mine victims and the various causes she championed in the press prior to her easily explainable straight forward death in a road accident. (sorry conspiracy nuts your on your own for that one)

You compare that legacy to him and you think to yourself, is that all you can do is be a helicopter pilot in the airforce? Your the prince of the worlds 5th wealthiest nation on the planet and in your 30 years of existence all you've managed to achieve is becoming a helicopter pilot and married some nob head from your "productive" university course were you got a degree in the "history of arse(art)" at a scottish university that you held hostage for 3 years from all the overkill of security.

So it doesn't have to be an exercise in self depreciation when examining such folk. I don't see too many of them being happy given how many of these so called celebrities seem to end up in rehabilitation services and be on the end of constant media attention.

Rather then focusing on what others have and the advantages they have over you it's more productive to appreciate the things you may take for granted or not even acknowledged are the "silver spoons" and privilege's that others less fortunate then yourself may find to envy in you.


That's true, I could have gone to Public School. I mean.. Then I could be too stupid to realize how miserable I am.



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22 Feb 2012, 6:42 pm

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22 Feb 2012, 10:25 pm

This grates a nerve with me because people make this assumption about me all the time even on this site.

To look at me I am an ex sports promotions model who is 6'3" and 165 pounds. I have a few degrees and other formal qualifications which mean I could earn over 100 grand a year. Most of my ex's are sports professionals with family money and look like models. I recently got offered a job earning over 70,000 a year writing bus time tables.

What people dont see is an aspie with major social axiety, with 2 disabled children who i have 7nights a week so i never get a break except at university, i have zero family support and i get so lonely i cry myself to sleep at night. I had to turn down the well paying government job that was handed to me so that i could focus on my kids. I am skinny because I have eating disorders.

People never see the whole picture. It is easy to seem jealous but remember that you may only be seeing the few good points in their life.


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22 Feb 2012, 10:49 pm

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This grates a nerve with me because people make this assumption about me all the time even on this site.

To look at me I am an ex sports promotions model who is 6'3" and 165 pounds. I have a few degrees and other formal qualifications which mean I could earn over 100 grand a year. Most of my ex's are sports professionals with family money and look like models. I recently got offered a job earning over 70,000 a year writing bus time tables.

What people dont see is an aspie with major social axiety, with 2 disabled children who i have 7nights a week so i never get a break except at university, i have zero family support and i get so lonely i cry myself to sleep at night. I had to turn down the well paying government job that was handed to me so that i could focus on my kids. I am skinny because I have eating disorders.

People never see the whole picture. It is easy to seem jealous but remember that you may only be seeing the few good points in their life.


Well put.

It's easy to see other people's advantages and fail to notice their struggles.


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22 Feb 2012, 11:28 pm

That may be the case with some people, but not all.

When your worst problems are the fact your grandmother talks s**t about you and you've got acne because you're too precious to go on the pill because you have to take it every morning, you don't really have any problems.

Yes, some people have other problems, others don't. You get to know people when you live with them for a long time.

If it helps, I'm not jealous of you, Solvejg. You don't sound like you have an easy life.



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23 Feb 2012, 10:35 am

Solvejg wrote:
This grates a nerve with me because people make this assumption about me all the time even on this site.

To look at me I am an ex sports promotions model who is 6'3" and 165 pounds. I have a few degrees and other formal qualifications which mean I could earn over 100 grand a year. Most of my ex's are sports professionals with family money and look like models. I recently got offered a job earning over 70,000 a year writing bus time tables.

What people dont see is an aspie with major social axiety, with 2 disabled children who i have 7nights a week so i never get a break except at university, i have zero family support and i get so lonely i cry myself to sleep at night. I had to turn down the well paying government job that was handed to me so that i could focus on my kids. I am skinny because I have eating disorders.

People never see the whole picture. It is easy to seem jealous but remember that you may only be seeing the few good points in their life.


You are right. Not everyone who looks like they've got it made have an easy life. But that doesn't make it any more fair that pretty, socially adept people with a lower skill level very often are chosen over less attractive people with minimal social abilities and a high skill level. It's like it's not important at how good you are at what you do, as long as you promote the "right" image. Knowing that I will always have to work twice as hard to maybe get noticed for being good at what I do is very frustrating and depressing.


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23 Feb 2012, 4:03 pm

I understand where the OP is coming from, but here's another perspective:

Although my life (or appearance of my life to others) is not really comparable to Solvejg's, I too have had jealousy vibes for all of my life. These days, people around me are jealous, simply because I don't need to work and present as having a charmed life. But, they don't even know the reasons why this is possible for us. No, we never won the lottery, my husband and I come from working class backgrounds and he has an average income.

The simple reason is that we suffered years of heartbreak, as we tried for a baby with several failed attempts at fertility treatment(some might not understand this as a big deal, but to us it was everything, at the time). She eventually came along, but during that time, we had been saving a little each month, for the needs of our elusive baby. We were married 11 years before it finally happened, so we'd saved much more than we anticipated, enough to pay off the mortgage. We have simple needs, probably due to Aspie traits more than anything else (is that something to be jealous of?), so saving up wasn't much of a challenge.

Yes, we have our baby and that ordeal is over. But, now we find we have a very demanding, yet delightful, child. I really can't work anyway, as she completely exhausts me. I don't have the social skills to get a standard fitting in with school hours job either, even if I had the puff. People don't see that at all and some even seem angry at me for being so 'fortunate'.

Things aren't always as they seem. But, I admit I am fortunate in not possessing the jealousy 'gene' or whatever it is. :)


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23 Feb 2012, 4:25 pm

Things may not always be as they seem.

But even if people have a s**t life and then win the life lottery without really trying, I can't stop these feelings.
I have a s**t life and didn't win it. I'm not saying my problems are worse, you can't compare. But they're pretty bad.



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23 Feb 2012, 4:38 pm

Wolfheart wrote:
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Wolfheart wrote:
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Same thing goes for men. You see the type out there that has everything fall on their laps and there not even something to blame like looks or whatnot. Its even more frustrating/confusing


It depends on what you live for, money isn't indicative of character since it can inherited or stolen, simply because someone is given an opportunity or has a silver spoon in their mouth doesn't mean they are better than anyone else. Not every successful person simply gets success handed to them overnight by some magic potion, most people have to face rejection to an extent before they get a break.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/ar ... bbean.html

Look at this article, Johnny depp even says they called him box office poison for 20 years before appearing in Pirates of the Caribbean, he even states he had to build a career on 20 years of failures and Disney wanted to fire him. If people like him have to work hard for 20 years for success, he even states he had to build a career on 20 years of failures and now he's the biggest paid actor in the world, I think it shows a conviction.


Im not talking about celebrities. you're trying to argue a point i never made. All Im saying is theres plenty of people out there that have things theyve not done much to recieve when plenty others struggle daily and cant get them. It can be money, looks, popularity, carreer, etc.


What good can come of comparing yourself to people that are more fortunate? People that go further to achieve what they want to achieve deserve more respect and have more conviction, people have more gratitude and value it more when they have to work harder for it, even more so if the odds are against that person.

Look at every artist, producer, director, film star, musician, the work they create when they are hungry is the best work they create.


Not everyone who is more fortunate is there due to going further to achieve anything, some of them just had everything handed to them. Wealth does not typically reflect how hard someone works especially in this country, look what people who actually do hard labor get paid.


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