If you all hate me so much maybe I'll just die

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I am now respectful of Autistics who desire a cure FOR THEMSELVES, but I simply cannot show any respect to Autistics who think that we should all be cured, regardless of our preferences on the matter.

I also refuse to show any respect to selfish Neurotypicals who would happily exterminate a minority group simply because they are viewed as defective because of their differences.



An option for parents of younger kids? That sounds like a forced cure to me.

As i've mentioned before, my sister and all of my friends are on the spectrum, so, if one of them decided to "cure" themselves, not only would I have to grieve over them, but I'd also have to see someone completely different walking around in their body. If that isn't mental torture, I don't know what is.



I wasn't really upset because people disagree with me, but because of how blatantly insulting and neurotypist those comments were.

What about parents of young children who get them cochlear implants to hear when the kid is deaf? That would be a "forced cure" for something nonlethal. Is that a horrible, terrible thing to do? What about parents of kids with mental illness, when the parents give them the meds that help them feel and function better? Is that a horrible terrible forced cure too?

What constitutes a bad cure that a parent gets for their child and a good cure that a parent gets for their child?

Lets say I have a five year old with chronic ear infections. Without treatment, it can result in hearing loss. My five year old doesn't want to take the medicine and doesn't want the shot. I give it to him anyway. I am forcing a cure on him. Is that a bad thing?

If I have a deaf child and the doctor says that he can hear with the implants. He is young and afraid of surgery and doesn't want to do it but I get it done anyway. Because I care about him. He can hear and after an adjustment period, he's happy he got it done. How bad is that one? I bet deaf activists would string me up over it, metaphorically.

If I have an older teenager who has severe depression and doesn't want treatment and is suicidal, should I not force the treatment on them? Would that be a bad thing as well?

How is it different to get treatment for a child with low functioning autism? Why is it so wrong to get the treatment/cure for that child? I'm not talking about a child with mild AS. What's so wrong with a parent getting the treatment for the child? Isn't that what parents do? Should this one issue be different because it's a pet peeve of yours and some others? I'm not being mean, I'm asking you to explain why it's so different than the other examples.

With all due respect, your comparison of Autism to depression or a hearing imparement is utterly ridiculous.

If a child is deaf, does that have any effect on who they are; their personality? I think not.

If someone is depressed and suicidal, does that have any effect upon their personality? Yes, but these effects are exclusively negative.

My sister has Low-Functioning Autism, and the negative effects of this are as follows:

* She is intellectually challenged

* She has no social skills at all. Sometimes, she follows random kids without even speaking to them and assumes that they're her friends.

* She has very little control over her emotions.

* She is brutally (and often offensively) honest.

* She mildly self-harms when distressed.

* She repeatedly asks people to repeat everything she says.

* She is very impressionable.

* She is very naive.

The positive aspects are as follows:

* She is an extremely happy, loving person. A direct result of her naivety?

* She is a fantastic artist and storyteller.

* She is a very positive person.

* She is oblivious to the hatred and negativity that surrounds her.

As much as it breaks my heart to see her self-harm or meltdown when things don't go her way, due to her Autism, she views the world in a unique, amazing way that a High-Functioning Autistic or Neurotypical never would. Regardless of her level of functioning, her Autism makes her who she is. To take that away from her would be unethical.

Why can't society just accept people for who they are?

P.S - Please don't refer to ASDs as mental illnesses. It's offensive.

my son is moderate to mildly autistic.

I have autism too.

I would like my and my son's co-morbids cured. I want a good night's sleep, rash free skin, no constant illness, no GI problems, no allergies/sensitivities, no anxiety and no depression

I would like a way to communicate with my son.

Do I suffer? well it depends but none of the above is pleasant.

P.S. - I didn't. Please stop reading something into what I'm saying that isn't there. It's offensive, as are many assumptions.


ETA; This would be a good thread for PPR. Why don't you start one there about it so that folks can discuss it and where debate is also ok? It would be a good topic I think.

Really? Because I am one of those people, and I would disagree with you. My grandparents had the option of getting corrective surgery done on my ears to avoid the infections, but they chose not to do it. Consequently, I am half deaf. And yes, it effects my personality. I get frustrated when I can't hear what someone is trying to tell me from five feet away, and being on the spectrum only intensifies the effect, because my reaction is delayed by both issues.

I believe it was Renee Descartes said "I think, therefore I am." I have some questions for both you Oliveoilmom and Curiotical. What makes a person who they are exactly? What makes me who I am? Is it just the thoughts that one has or is it something more?

My question for you OliveOilMom is this. Do you believe that some identities should be changed. If not, why not? If yes, what are these occurences that a person's identity should be changed and why?

My question you Curiotical is this. How do you derive that a person's identity is always the identity that they should be? I believe this is your underlying assumption to your beliefs. How do you derive that if one is cured of Autism or Aspergers that one would lose his identity?

My questions to both. As we grow older, do we all retain the same identity or does our identity change as we experience new experiences and learn things about our world? If you both believe that our identites change as we grow older are we a different person than our younger selves?

If we are different than our younger selves then I have to ask how does a true permenant identity exist whatsoever? Couldn't it be possible that our identities our only temporary and fleeting.

I am neurotypical (or so I think), married to a wonderful Aspie guy and mother of a beautiful and bright Aspie girl, and I do not support the "cure for Autism". I do understand the people who support this, though. Autism is a spectrum, and while some people (my husband and daughter fit in that group) can function, other people is just beyond reaching. I can understand the parents of those kids (the last group). Being parent of a child with Autism ain't easy. But I do think Autism, in our particular case, is wonderful. My husband and child are both fantastic people, with some issues, but also wonderful gifts. But I agree with you: it should be left to each person to decide if they want to be "cured" or not.

Though I am neither. I still would like to answer from a perspective of a middle ground, I suppose...
I believe that what makes a person who they are depends on their background or their own beliefs.
Personally, whether or not the person with Autism should be cured should primarily be that person who makes that decision, unless they are in a position of being on life support where the responsibility would be on the parents.
Yes people can change their persona but not their identity of who they are and their life. Nothing can really change your identity other than faking your identity which isn't being true to anyone, even yourself.

I would agree with this. If the comorbids could be treated without eliminating the person's intrinsically autistic personality, that would be a cure I think most would would agree with. Something to dull the extreme sensory inputs would help the majority of people on the spectrum who are forced to live an isolated existence due to these issues.

As far as it goes, what methods of communication have you tried? I have heard of some nonverbal auties using tablet computers to communicate because their speech and handwriting are not otherwise understandable to the outside world.

Not ridiculous at all. I've known people who were deaf, they faced MANY of the same issues people with autism face in the world.

The deaf people I've known have said that being deaf does shape their personality, and defines part of who they are.

I f*****g HATE THE WAY I'M OFTEN TREATED IN THE STREET. I'VE HAD SO MANY BAD EXPERIENCES FROM PEOPLE IN THE PAST 4 YEARS, JUST RANDOM STRANGERS WHO CAN'T KEEP THEIR IMMATURE OPINIONS TO THEMSELVES. IF THEY DO HAVE A PROBLEM WITH ME, WHY SHOW IT IN FRONT OF ME? WHAT IS THEIR f*****g PROBLEM??? IF MY HEAD BEING A TEENY TINY BIT STOOPED FORWARD, OR MY SLIGHTLY NERVOUS BODY LANGUAGE IS THAT f*****g HILARIOUS TO THEM THEN WHY DON'T THEY WAIT TIL MY BACK IS TURNED THEN WHISPER AND SNIGGER TO EACH OTHER SAYING s**t LIKE ''THAT GIRL WAS SO WEIRD!''? f*****g IMMATURE c***s THAT THEY ARE! I SEE LOADS OF PEOPLE WITH A STOOPED NECK, OR WEARING NO MAKE-UP, OR LOOKING A BIT NERVOUS, BUT I DON'T THINK TWICE ABOUT IT, UNLESS THEY WERE DOING SOMETHING REALLY WEIRD WHAT IS TYPICALLY ATTENTION-DRAWING. WHAT IS WRONG WITH PEOPLE TODAY? AND I GO TO ASK IN A SHOP FOR A JOB APPLICATION, AND THEY JUST LAUGH AT ME. LIKE, WHAT THE f**k AM I DOING WRONG, JUST WALKING INTO A SHOP, DRESSED PRESENTABLY, SMILING AND ASKING WITH NORMAL CONFIDENCE FOR A JOB APPLICATION? SOMEONE'S NOT DOING THEIR JOB PROPERLY. MAYBE THEY SHOULD f*****g GO BACK TO SCHOOL IF THEY'RE GOING TO ACT LIKE LITTLE 10-YEAR-OLDS, LAUGHING AT THINGS THAT AREN'T SUPPOSED TO BE FUNNY. WHAT THE f**k IS WRONG WITH THE WORLD TODAY? IF I AM DOING A TEENY LITTLE SILLY TRIVIAL THING WRONG, DOES IT MATTER? IS IT SO BAD THAT PEOPLE JUST HAVE TO LAUGH AND POINT AND STARE? DON'T THEY HAVE ANY IDEA HOW I MAY BE FEELING WHEN THEY DO THINGS LIKE THAT TO SOMEONE WHO IS JUST MINDING THEIR BUSINESS? WHAT'S ALL THIS NTS AND EMPATHY s**t? LAUGHING AT SOMEONE DOING NOTHING FUNNY IN PUBLIC IS NOT WHAT I WOULD CALL EMPATHY. THEY HAVE NO IDEA HOW I AM FEELING, BECAUSE THEY MUST KNOW HOW IT FEELS TO BE RIDICULED SO WHY DO IT TO OTHER PEOPLE? f*****g BASTARDS, WHOEVER LAUGHS AT ME!

Parents should discuss it with the kids beforehand. I had to fake a ton of side-affects to convince my parents to get me off drugs that would have very negative results in my emotional identity and my chest. (There are some anti-depressants that can cause gynocomastia - however it's spelled- which is growth of breasts in males and I was beginning to see the signs of it occurring.)

Any parent who loves their child would at least discuss it with them to make sure they understand what they're being given, why they're being given it, and if they're okay with it. Not saying they're old enough or mature enough to make the decision for themselves, but keeping your kid in the dark is a form of abuse in my opinion. Make sure to try and make understand -BOTH- the positives and the negatives of something.

Your example of cochlear implants reminded me of this most recent season premiere of Criminal Minds.

And the difference between an infection and autism is that an infection is not a state of mind. Nor is autism an infection. If you truly believe that you and your song are "infected" with Autism, there are what I would perceive to be self-worth issues.

And as for depression, I believe that people should be allowed to commit suicide. It's cruelty to force someone to stay alive in a life they no longer want.

Grain of salt: I will kill myself when there are no other available options that can bring about a positive result. It would be self-harm to keep myself alive in a world of TRULY DEAD END pain and misery.

And @ other peoples who know who they are, there is a caps lock button. And an enter button to start new paragraphs. I don't mean to be rude but I can't process walls of capital letters. And most people who can, aren't even in the business of wanting to I assume.