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08 Jan 2013, 9:13 pm

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08 Jan 2013, 9:15 pm

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When I was in the psych ward all the did was assure me no one else could get much sleep either, so I wasn't the only one. I wonder if they realize sleep deprivation can cause brain damage....so for the 5 days there I barely got any sleep at all. Also I might remain open minded to meds to help sleep.....but not entirely sure I'd want to go that route. I could talk to the therapist though because its really getting to be an issue I haven't talked to her about it yet since before it was just some nights were especially difficult not every single night.


Wow? They didn't do anything to help you with it? Like awgthtgtatas experience, often people are inpatients precisely because they want to monitor their sleep patterns and help them with it.


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Also, not sure if I could go to bed early enough to take sleep meds without waking up all sluggish....and some I want to stay away from since my friend took this one sleep med and ended up driving people home in his sleep and responding as if he was awake so yeah I don't want anything that has any potential side effects like that. But I'll talk to the therapist and also keep looking into herbal remedies and such.


That's exactly why I warned about Stilnoct (just looked it up and it's called Ambien in USA! Should have said that) and that class of sleepmeds (hilariously called "Nonbenzodiazepines") - they hallucinate and sleepwalk and do all kinds of out of character things. With Benzos (Valium etc) it's only the occasional amnesia that is worrying. Also would just lead to feeling a bit groggy and relaxed if you stay awake on them anyway, as opposed to if you stay awake on Ambien...
I understand your hesitation. Pills to help you sleep could just be an occasional thing though, it's not like medications that people have to take daily.


They tried giving me anti-histamines to help a little and all that did was make me feel weird, because like I told them in the first place that is what those kinds of drugs do since they are pretty much deleriants especially in high doses but I am sensative to that even in low doses(I may have worded it differently though). So I told them that didn't help and they eventually gave me trazadone to help with anixety and sleep and it helped the anxiety some but they didn't give me enough for it to help me sleep. Also it was never very quiet, the air vents where always running and kind of loud at least to me so that made it hard to sleep also the light from the door being open because when they checked the rooms every half hour at night they sometimes forgot to close the doors.

As for benzos for sleep I would have to be very careful about that...I was on clonozepam for anxiety and it didn't work out so well. I did end up drinking on it which I shouldn't have but it was having negative effects before that. But maybe there are some with less side effects, I have an appointment with a psychiatrist next month so i guess i will see what they suggest


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08 Jan 2013, 9:31 pm

I try to listen to relaxing music as I am dozing off to sleep. It does help to have a ritual before going to bed and sometimes I am guilty of going to bed later than I want and if I am worrying about something then I really do not sleep that well usually. It sounds like a good idea to get your sleep regulated if you have trouble sleeping. Good luck.


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08 Jan 2013, 11:25 pm

Going mad from not sleeping depends on the person. Ive been fortunate enough to get 2hours on Saturday 1 on Sunday and 2and a half hours till tonight. You must start a predictable pattern for winding down such as shutting off lights dimming your computer monitor and turning down the volume on every thing. As to ptsd try to avoid you worse triggers beyond halfway thru the day if at all possible. Limit caffeine unless you have adhd if so a small tea/coffee might help you sleep. Id also recommend meditating when you cant sleep Its not the same as sleep but can keep you sane with very limited sleep. I know it can be hard and lack of sleep for a lot of people cases depression and depression for them cause less sleep vicious cycle. And yes I know easier said than done.



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09 Jan 2013, 12:33 am

Sweetleaf wrote:
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Sweetleaf wrote:
When I was in the psych ward all the did was assure me no one else could get much sleep either, so I wasn't the only one. I wonder if they realize sleep deprivation can cause brain damage....so for the 5 days there I barely got any sleep at all. Also I might remain open minded to meds to help sleep.....but not entirely sure I'd want to go that route. I could talk to the therapist though because its really getting to be an issue I haven't talked to her about it yet since before it was just some nights were especially difficult not every single night.


Wow? They didn't do anything to help you with it? Like awgthtgtatas experience, often people are inpatients precisely because they want to monitor their sleep patterns and help them with it.


Sweetleaf wrote:
Also, not sure if I could go to bed early enough to take sleep meds without waking up all sluggish....and some I want to stay away from since my friend took this one sleep med and ended up driving people home in his sleep and responding as if he was awake so yeah I don't want anything that has any potential side effects like that. But I'll talk to the therapist and also keep looking into herbal remedies and such.


That's exactly why I warned about Stilnoct (just looked it up and it's called Ambien in USA! Should have said that) and that class of sleepmeds (hilariously called "Nonbenzodiazepines") - they hallucinate and sleepwalk and do all kinds of out of character things. With Benzos (Valium etc) it's only the occasional amnesia that is worrying. Also would just lead to feeling a bit groggy and relaxed if you stay awake on them anyway, as opposed to if you stay awake on Ambien...
I understand your hesitation. Pills to help you sleep could just be an occasional thing though, it's not like medications that people have to take daily.


They tried giving me anti-histamines to help a little and all that did was make me feel weird, because like I told them in the first place that is what those kinds of drugs do since they are pretty much deleriants especially in high doses but I am sensative to that even in low doses(I may have worded it differently though). So I told them that didn't help and they eventually gave me trazadone to help with anixety and sleep and it helped the anxiety some but they didn't give me enough for it to help me sleep. Also it was never very quiet the air vents where always running and kind of loud at least to me so that made it hard to sleep also the light from the door being open because when they checked the rooms every half hour at night they sometimes forgot to close the doors.

As for benzos for sleep I would have to be very careful about that...I was on clonozepam for anxiety and it didn't work out so well. I did end up drinking on it which I shouldn't have but it was having negative effects before that. But maybe there are some with less side effects.


I dislike that trend in giving anti-histamines, would think the staff would know better alternatives, especially as you flat out told them.
If benzos didn't work out for you before then you know what's best for you. There are some weaker alternatives, but I don't know what your adverse effects were and I'll take your word for it not being good.
My non-med advice would be drinking hot (uncaffeinated)stuff, and lots of heavy blankets, maybe even one of those ball blankets. Hope you get some nice nightmareless sleep soon :)



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09 Jan 2013, 1:25 am

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09 Jan 2013, 11:12 am

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Going mad from not sleeping depends on the person. Ive been fortunate enough to get 2hours on Saturday 1 on Sunday and 2and a half hours till tonight. You must start a predictable pattern for winding down such as shutting off lights dimming your computer monitor and turning down the volume on every thing. As to ptsd try to avoid you worse triggers beyond halfway thru the day if at all possible. Limit caffeine unless you have adhd if so a small tea/coffee might help you sleep. Id also recommend meditating when you cant sleep Its not the same as sleep but can keep you sane with very limited sleep. I know it can be hard and lack of sleep for a lot of people cases depression and depression for them cause less sleep vicious cycle. And yes I know easier said than done.


I do try and relax a while before going to bed, usually leave some light but nothing too bright and might listen to music or watch a movie not horribly loud though since that's not relaxing. I also have some passionflower tea that helps some, I do want to look into more herbal blends for sleep and relaxation since the tea helps a bit. Obviously being the cannabis smoker I am I use that to help sleep to but luckily there is that tea and other herbal remedies that can help if that's not an option.

As for meditation I could try that, usually if I lay there for too long unable to sleep I want to get up and do something because I feel all restless and can't lay there doing nothing or my mind wont stop with the nonstop over thinking of everything. I also try to avoid caffeine late in the day or evening....but in the morning I find it to be rather helpful.


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09 Jan 2013, 2:34 pm

Lavender and hops in a sleep pillow,the fragrance is soothing.Don't know if this is true but I was told that aromatherapy is covered by insurance in France,be cool if it was.

When I was a kid and couldn't sleep they told me about the bogeyman and that after midnight hobgoblins would come out if I wasn't a sleep.Great,now I'm scared and can't sleep and the night light then made it worse.Afraid of the dark and tormented by the light.
Way to go people,let's give the kid that is a visual thinker something to really think about at bedtime.
But now the dark is my friend,no fear.



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10 Jan 2013, 3:50 pm

Hmm feeling sleepy all the time even after sleeping can mean your quality of sleep may be poor. Sometimes I will take a warm bath before going to bed. This serves to help unwinde from the stimuli of the day. The meds sort of work the same way. They help shutdown the thoughts that keep you awake.



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12 Jan 2013, 10:56 pm

awgthtgtata wrote:
Hmm feeling sleepy all the time even after sleeping can mean your quality of sleep may be poor. Sometimes I will take a warm bath before going to bed. This serves to help unwinde from the stimuli of the day. The meds sort of work the same way. They help shutdown the thoughts that keep you awake.


I don't doubt that my quality of sleep is poor, I mean its so bad I pretty much hate sleeping....but of course humans need sleep so I have to succumb at times. But yeah things that help unwind are good it helps some if I can get relaxed before going to sleep and I mean fully relaxed.


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13 Jan 2013, 9:55 am

If you haven't, you might want to see if you are the type who can feel "ASMR" with the right stimuli. If you are, there are mountains of videos on youtube that are made to lull you to a very relaxed state and might help.

ASMR explanation link