Leaving WP Forever!! !

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Please remember this is the Haven not PPR. So don't turn this thread into a atheists vs theists thread. That is the sort of territory that is driving Tim away from WP. If anyone wants to debate this issue take it to PPR.

wow. that is like seeing a bristle cone pine tree finally fall to the ground.

i once saw an old dead tree fall to the ground on our farm when i was 10 years old. it was a huge dead grey tree that stood in isolation in a large paddock. it must have been dead for more than a hundred years, and it was beside a small man made dam. we were sitting outside on the veranda eating passion-fruit and we heard what sounded like a rifle shot, and i saw grey brown dust ejected from the tree, and then it fell to the ground.

it was a rare sight.

i agree that this site is geared toward more modern thinking members, and i feel too old to be here really.

people on this site are mostly trying to flaunt their plumage and they are not really interested in any ideas that come from people who are not of their ilk.

i will still post here but i am looking for new sites to post in.
to be successful on WP, you have to be between 16 and 35, and have a good grasp of the urban dictionary, and also be fully updated as to the current trends and fads.

i do not understand most posts i read, and i think it is because i am "behind the times" compared to the youth that dominate this site.

there is also the "evidence please?" crowd who will run your thoughts into the mud because no one else has ever thought the same thought you express. they are google trawlers who round up as much external information as they can and they then espouse it safe in the knowledge that it is not uncommon knowledge.

requests links and sh*t that endorse what you say only make the place boring. people seem more interested to sprout what they have "learned" (sometimes only minutes before) than what they have deduced with their own faculties.

on the rare occasions that i have posted in PPR, i am mostly told to "go and get educated" (with the obligatory winking icon to top it off) and that to me means that they know nothing more than they are told.


there are oodles of people on this site who are very self aggrandizing and they strive not for debate, but for automatic dominance because they love themselves to death, and they think a few words from their holy mouths will engender an automatic idolization from their audience.

the sadder thing is that they often do. i see people with attitudes that i find abominable being hoisted up on the shoulders of those who have no idea except for that the poster sounds "smart".

whatever.
i also like you tim tex, find it difficult to assimilate in the general population of this forum, but there are people who lurk and do not post, and who therefore do not reply that may be championing my words.

it is not against the law to be not what the general consensus of this forum applauds.
i will just toss in my words and if people consider my words to be litter (or even elderly pollution of a vibrant young vibe), then i will accept if i was banned for being out of touch, but i will say what i say until i am banned for being redundant.

skipping what i say is very easy.

As my above warning was ignored I have removed several posts. I repeat: If you want to discuss theism versus atheist take it to PPR. The Haven is not the right place for it.

I haven't seen that much attacking of religious views outside of the politics threads. So if you don't want your views attacked don't go there.

I feel this way about PPR. I only visit that forum when I'm feeling particularly mentally stable, otherwise it could cause a meltdown. Whether you go or stay is up to you, but sometimes just sticking to friendly forums for a while works for me.

well i thank you for sparing my post from elimination. i did say some rather cantankerous things.
please copy my post and mail it to me if you decide that it also has to be filleted out of the thread because i hate to type so many words that are relinquished to nothingness.

Hey Tim,

I'm one of those atheists, so we have different views of religion. But we have way more things in common than things that set us apart. We both believe in things like honesty, respect, helping each other, to name only a few.

It would be a pity if you'd leave, please don't.

^ I second the above sentiments. I too stand on the opposite side of the religious divide to Tim; but Tim is a much valued member of WP who many people (myself included) would miss if he departed.

Please don't leave. I agree with your sentiment though. for example, I posted a rant, and someone corrected me.

I hope you reconsider. I enjoy reading your posts.

I've almost left WP many times for the same reason.

there are definitely lots of ideas that get trashed in PPR. not just certain politics or beliefs but even social movements like feminism or affirmative action. even those people that argue the ideas are sometimes mocked or derided in a general way (not directly or it would break the rules). it isn't just your ideas in particular that are marginalised or made fun on, Tim_Tex, but rather anything that is unusual or different compared to the majority of members that occupy that space.

that area of the forum is a "survival of the fittest" type of place, where members hash out their own culture. as long as it doesn't violate the rules, they fight out their own dominant ideas. the most active members with the loudest arguments will determine the default state of the forum. some things are endlessly debated because there isn't a dominant idea as such (like gun control), but in terms of other ideas like religion most of the religious people simply found it too nasty and combative to their beliefs. most feminists are driven out eventually too.

several members have offered the best possible solution to your issue - stay out of PPR. moderators will take action on rule-breaking attacks (if you report them), but there is a culture in there that is harsh towards non-dominant views. nobody in L&D is debating about politics, and in Random there isn't a thread putting down theology. so if you keep to non-debate areas of the site, you don't need to worry about your ideas or beliefs being an issue.

also, if you want to discuss your views with people who are likely to respect them and take them seriously, i am sure that there are also Republican or Christian sites as well. WrongPlanet will rarely be everything for everybody - you can spend some time here and some time elsewhere if you want. i go to feminist sites where i can argue actual feminist ideas without having aspie versions of MRAs taking potshots at me, for example. i don't have to leave WrongPlanet completely in order to do that.

Tim_Tex, your forum contributions are appreciated and nobody would want to see you go. you may want to take a break or get away for a while and see how you feel. i take breaks once in a while, especially from the areas of the site that cause me too much stress. or you may find that you will have a better outlook in general if you are not on the site. it's not for everyone. but i hope you don't think that you are not a valued member, because you are!

of course, i want to once again add that if you see anything that breaks the rules, such as personal attacks please bring it to the attention of a moderator.

I'm one of those members. We both joined the same summer back in 2004. He's one of the few members that I share the same beliefs with.

For many, it is a very big deal. Your post is very insensitive, and not appropriate for The Haven.

Agree with this ^

Unfortunately, for many its not about actual conversation or learning other people's perspectives.

Ironically, those that say they are the most accepting & tolerant are often in fact the least.

I sometimes wonder if some of the Christian members here find me intimidating because I debate in PPR. I wonder if they think I look down on them. I don't. I have respect for a lot of the theists on here. I leave the argumentative side of my personality behind in PPR.

Most PPR regulars don't post in the other forums, and the ones that do, like me, have a different style for the different forums. I think theists assume atheists look down on/ hate them - but it's not always true. I used to be a theist and I have an understanding of the religious experience. I also realise that the person I'm talking to has feelings, as well. I admit some atheists are jerks, but that's true of any group of people.

You're such a long-term part of the fabric of PPR, it would be sad to see you leave.