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30 Mar 2013, 5:21 pm

There was some preacher in Houston who predicted that the rapture would be on a certain day in the fall of one year, I think 1979. It didn't happen. After much puzzling over the fact, he announced to his congregation that he was off by one year and that the rapture would be on the same date the next year.

One of the members and true believers in that congregation had a boss who I used to know. One Monday morning, the boss called him in and their conversation went something like this:

Boss: Let me make sure I understand this correctly. The rapture will be on (whatever the date).

Employee: Yes, that is correct.

Boss: You are absolutely sure about this?

Employee: Yes. There is no doubt at all.

Boss: You had better be correct. I bought a sailboat over the weekend and arranged to make the first payment after (whatever the date). If I have to make any payments on the boat, it's your fault.

The guy got so upset that he quit. It worked out well for me because they hired me to replace him.

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30 Mar 2013, 7:29 pm

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> Link to Article on Doomsday & Doomsday Cults <

There are documented "Doomsday" predictions going at least as far back as 634 B.C.

The last 170 years provide enough evidence to doubt any apocalyptic prophesy, Biblical or not.

1843: The Millerites. William Miller, a New England farmer, predicted the world would end between March 21, 1843, and March 21, 1844. The date was later changed to April 23, 1843. The world is still here.

1910: Halley's Comet. A fear spread through the media and populous that the Earth would pass through the tail end of Halley's comet in 1910 and that the End Times would be triggered. They weren't.

1982: Pat Robertson. Televangelist Pat Robertson, from Virginia, told his "700 Club" TV audience that he knew when the world would end. In fact, he guaranteed that end to be 1982. He was wrong; it didn't.

1994: Pastor John Hinkle. In 1994, John Hinkle, from California, predicted that the Biblical End Times would be upon us as of June 9, 1994. They weren't.

1997: Heaven's Gate. San Diego's UFO cult, Heaven's Gate, concluded that the Hale-Bopp comet's falsely reported tail-end UFO was a signal that the world would end soon. All 39 members committed suicide on March 26, 1997. Most of the rest of us are still here.

2000: Y2K. People have long speculated the influence technology might have over the end of mankind and during the months leading up to the year 2000, these theories were everywhere. Nuclear holocaust and worldwide blackouts were just some of the End Times predictions made related to Y2K. It's been 13 years, and still no Earth-shattering "ka-BOOM!"

2000: Icy End. Richard Noone wrote a book in 1997 titled "5/5/2000 Ice: the Ultimate Disaster" and the idea took on, for some. He predicted we would suffer an icy death cued by the aligning of the heavens. He was wrong.

2008: Biblical End Times. The minister of God's Church, Ronald Weinland, predicted in a 2006 book that 2008 would see the end of the world. Weinland went on to predict that the real date was May 27, 2012. He was wrong.

2011: Harold Camping. A radio minister from California, Harold Camping, predicted in May 2011 that the End Times would begin on May 21, 2011, and that the world would totally end on October 21, 2011. He was wrong.

Doomsday has been predicted many times by many prophets. Obviously, so far they've all been wrong, which lowers the odds that any given prophecy that the world will end on some specific date will come true. Some, like the Jehovah's Witnesses, have been wrong so many times that they've quit making specific predictions, but they're still warning us that "The End Is Near".

Hundreds - if not thousands - of such predictions and prophesies have occurred throughout recorded history, and none of them came true. Most were based on one or more religious texts and on people's general ignorance of astronomy, biology, chemistry, history, and physics.

There is no "Doomsday" to worry about.

I think that saying that "Hey, you know, this Kim guy is crazy enough to start something that could spiral out of control" is a far different animal than saying "The Holy Text of the IPU says that Doomsday will happen on September 12, 2015!" I realize that I kinda mixed the two. Also, that the Bible itself says only God shall know the hour. But there is a possibility that WW3 could start from the North Korean threats. Supposedly, America's top generals are very worried, although that's only rumor.

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30 Mar 2013, 7:53 pm

pezar wrote:

Personally, I would not concern myself too much over a collection of largely apocryphal stories passed down orally by illiterate nomads since the early Bronze Age.

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But there is a possibility that WW3 could start from the North Korean threats.

North Korea is a tiny country with a puny leader. While they may have intercontinental nuclear capability, their missiles can easily be tracked and intercepted by current technology ... if the North Koreans can even launch a nuclear warhead successfully ... :roll:

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Supposedly, America's top generals are very worried, although that's only rumor.

A rumor started and spread by fear-mongering survivalists and Bible-thumping religionists. "Concerned" would likely be more accurate, since the threat is on the level that is only DEFCON 4, ("Green") with 1 ("White") the highest level of readiness, and 5 the lowest ("Blue").

While current intel does not support the belief that North Korea has the capability to strike the United States with nuclear missiles (all we have are threats from their impotent butterball of a leader, after all), a conventional attack does not appear to be outside their ability. Chemical and biological attacks are also a possibility, though there has been little evidence that North Korea has been developing those types of weapons on any kind of large scale. Nevertheless, North Korea continues to work on intercontinental delivery systems as well as miniaturizing its nuclear warheads, so that a strike on the U.S. will ultimately be in its ability (... someday ... maybe ...). Some analysts postulate that any nuclear attack by North Korea would not be a strike against cities, but rather a high-altitude attack which would knock out the U.S. power grid and other critical infrastructure (... maybe ...).

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30 Mar 2013, 8:28 pm

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I'm seriously considering suicide, since I really don't want to be around for the torments predicted by all the world's major religions. The Bible indicates that everybody will be thrown into hell except for 144,000 people. If you read the text carefully, they're talking about people who are already dead, ie angels. So all humans and all but 144,000 of the angels will support Satan and be thrown into hell. It doesn't matter if you're a Christian or not, you're going to hell. .

First of all, Hell just means the grave, I wouldn't worry yourself about what it now means, it didn't mean that when the Bible was written for, "dust you are, and to dust you will return".
The 144,000 are not Angels, they are 12, 000 from each of the 12 tribes of Israel to fulfill Gods Promise to Abraham, if you read a few verses later on, you will see they are joined by a Great Crowd which no man was able to number, from all Tribes and nations of people, so there will be more saved than you can number, and you could even be one of them.

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Furthermore, the Bible indicates that heaven and earth shall pass away, and the elements melt with fervent heat. To me, this indicates that either China or the US will deploy an uberweapon that will destroy not only the earth but the entire universe, and that this weapon will be so terrible that it will destroy the elements themselves. After this, everybody gets thrown into hell..

If you are going to belive some of the Biblical Prophesy, you may as well believe all of it, God says he will bring to ruin, those ruining the Earth, so I don't think he will let China or the US destroy the Earth first.
Your mention of Heaven and Earth passing away is written to say there is more chance of that happening than for a word of God to fail or somesuch, Iam going from memory here.
Having said that, there will be a New Heavens and a New Earth following some sort of melting event, but this happens after Jesus 1000 year reign, not at the beginning, so you have at least a 1000 years before you need to worry about this bit.

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Since I'm already going to hell, why not kill myself and speed up the process? There will be no reincarnation, since the universe will end. Since the elements themselves will be destroyed, there will be no new universe. I have no friends, and no close family except my parents. They would be devastated, but I don't care, they are totally oblivious to the coming apocalypse and maybe killing myself would knock some sense into them. I wish I could have prepared more, although I don't see how you prepare for the detonation of a weapon that makes the elements melt. Apparently once the war starts, men will not be allowed to kill themselves, so I'd better do it quickly.

Why do you think the Universe will end?
If it ends, how will Revelation 21 be fulfilled when God resides with Mankind again and death and suffering are no more?
The bit about men not being allowed to kill themselves, you are also mis quoting, it refers to those who submit too, and accept the Mark of the Beast, or the One World Government, aka New World Order, which incidentally is allowed to reign for 42 months, so you have at least 3 1/2 years.

Admittedly, there will be the tribulations, probably arranged by those Globalists in order to get the world to submit to their Global dictatorship, but it will be controlled, they are hardly going to completely destroy the world otherwise there will be nothing left for them to take complete control of.

Do read Matthew 24 which talks about the last days, it says there will be wars, and rumours of wars, but it also says, "See that you are not terrified", which you appear to be, why not instead become one of Jesus beloved possessions now so that you will at least have God and Jesus behind you to help you through the bad times?

Also, there is a scripture that says God will cut short those days, else no flesh would be saved, this demonstrates that some people will survive, and that there will still be a world for them to survive into.

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30 Mar 2013, 10:53 pm

I'm gonna laugh when North Korea gets destroyed by every country on earth.

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31 Mar 2013, 6:27 am

I'm worried. Something's going on with pezar. He used to be one of the most sensible, intelligent, wise posters I knew on WP, the last who would write such an OP...

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31 Mar 2013, 8:37 am

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I'm worried. Something's going on with pezar. He used to be one of the most sensible, intelligent, wise posters I knew on WP, the last who would write such an OP...

Religion does that to people.

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31 Mar 2013, 3:45 pm

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Moondust wrote:

I'm worried. Something's going on with pezar. He used to be one of the most sensible, intelligent, wise posters I knew on WP, the last who would write such an OP...

Religion does that to people.

Actually, I used to be a lot more suicidal, before I got medicated. To tell the truth, I really think that Revelation refers to Rome and not the US. I realize that history repeats, and that America MIGHT be a repeat of Rome. I spend a lot of time online with survivalists, because someday I want to live in the woods as a hermit, and am always on the lookout for suggestions. It's nearly impossible not to let the Bible thumping get to you, and I make a point to stay out of the religion forum. But all the predictions of impending doom from those people, mixed in with Bible "proof", really makes me worried. It's possible that there will be a war or a financial collapse or resource/food/water shortages, and that those could cause the downfall of civilization. I'm really not into the really far out conspiracy stuff, but a case can be made that the systems we depend on are fragile and could collapse at any time.

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01 Apr 2013, 10:08 am

The end of the universe won't happen even if Earth gets destroyed. Do you have any idea just how miniscule and inconsequentail our known world is in comparison to the vastness of the cosmos?

Also if the rapture does actually happen and God exists and he is a vengeful bastard like in the new testament I'm totally siding with team Satan........ Maybe he can make me into some kind of badass demon.

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01 Apr 2013, 11:12 am

I don't think this is going to be the end of the world even if North Korea does try something. I think we have enough firepower to turn them into a parking lot, if Obama will allow us to fight back that is.

It doesn't make much sense to say "I'm going to kill myself because this may happen which may kill me". Unless you are sure that something like this will happen and you will suffer and die, then I say hang on and see what actually does happen. In the novel "On The Beach", the Australian government was giving out cyanide for citizens to use because there had been a huge nuclear war and the fallout was heading their way and there was nothing they could do and no preventing radiation sickness and certain death. The cyanide simply killed them quicker and without pain rather than going through several days of suffering. That was certain death, the situation we have now isn't. Also, we could so take North Korea. I think we could take China too if Obama doesn't decide to use his own personal favorite weapon, apology, rather than actual firepower. I doubt he can apologize them into submission.

Anyway, don't buy into they hype. I doubt something will happen and if it does, then I doubt the world will end.

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01 Apr 2013, 11:21 am

Well, people hyped up the so-called 2012 Mayan prophecy thing and that was a dud.

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01 Apr 2013, 3:07 pm

I thought this was funny:

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01 Apr 2013, 3:18 pm

You spend a lot of time on a website with survivalists? Well that explains why you are panicking. Take a break from them. When you spend too much time around people without a mind of your own, you start to believe all the BS you are fed.

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01 Apr 2013, 3:55 pm

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Relax. North Korea is the tail trying to wag the dog. If they do launch a strike on Guam or Hawaii the response from the U.S, will be quick and severe without a full on war. China and Russia will stand aside. Believe me. China doesn't want the U.S. sitting at their back door so they'll do everything in their to keep Young Un at bay.

Despite the propaganda the Chinese are very peaceful people.Compared to the Western powers, China has been involved in very few conflicts or for that matter started any. You could argue perhaps that causes the opium wars by underestimating the British.

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01 Apr 2013, 4:51 pm

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redrobin62 wrote:

I think they see their sphere of influence as being neighboring countries. China and Viet Nam have certainly had their issues. Also, China's invasion of Tibet was certainly over the top.

If you limit your wars to your immediate neighbors, you probably aren't going to have as many wars.

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03 Apr 2013, 11:15 am

I don't think China will keep defending North Korea... In fact I can easily imagine a scenario in which it would actually be on the side of South Korea/USA in the event of war.

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