No One On This Site Cares About Me T_T

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This is the first time I've seen one of your posts, and I've been reading the forums for quite a while now. I'm just saying this to highlight how fragmented the forum probably is. I think it's very easy to feel like nobody cares, because even though you're here as an individual, from the perspective of other posters, you're just one of thousands of largely anonymous people. I bet you didn't know and care about me either, for example. I think it may help to you try to initiate individual conversations with people repeatedly, so you get to know specific people over time and can build a relationship.

I had a look at a bunch of your posts there, and since you said you're interested in honest feedback, I'm going to give some. Keep in mind I have only seen 5-10 of your posts. All of this is just my personal impression, and I have very concrete expectations of art that are by no means universal. It's very likely that I know a lot less about art than you do.
I didn't like most of your pictures. There were a lot of unoriginal flowers, cute rabbits and penguins that seemed not very interesting from a technical perspective. There are a lot of people who can draw those, and many who have better technical skills. To me, there was no meaning to your pictures, no message, no emotion. When I look at art, I'm looking for passion, things people would die for, things that cannot be captured in everyday life and in other media. When I looked at your drawings, I had the impression that you were merely drawing "something pretty" and didn't have an intention or anything that you felt you just _had to_ communicate, so if you did, that feeling failed to cross the various barriers between you, the drawing and my perception of what you created.
There was one drawing that I liked though, called "black cat". It has a number of interesting features, for example the different curvature of front- and hindlegs, the general theme of curves and the contrast of those curves with the jagged edges of the fur on the cat's back and tail. I also found the eyes intriguing. So there were a few conflicting and slightly surreal messages in there for me, and that made me think.
So, if you'd be asking my opinion on how to create better art, I would say this: tell me a story. Let me feel your feelings. If you draw something pretty, make it stand out in some way that highlights the essence of what makes it pretty and how exactly that feels.

I stopped looking after that, so it's possible I'd like most of your other drawings, and I hope you don't take my criticism personally.

+1

(incidentally, I also dislike when people are too lazy to write a post and just +1 something*)


*although I suppose it is slightly better than a -1

MjrMajorMajor is pretty friendly when I'm too hard on myself. Some of my Facebook friends too.

I can stalk you and say nice things, I mean be your friend. Overdoing it would be stalking, if you don't like me.

We care.

We just have this annoying habit of over-analyzing everything.

This isn't a forum. Its a think tank.

I see like 99% of the posts I make and go "Wow, I'm an idiot for writing that. Why the f**k did I say that on a public forum...?"

Making and keeping friends is so difficult for all of us. On the flip side, it brings an appreciation and value to the connections we're able to make.

Please don't go, WitchsCat. And for what it's worth, I care about you.

Witchscat from what I've seen of your posts you sound like a nice person and I like your Avatar of the dear little cat.

Um, am I out of line to point out that this is a website primarily designed for people who have a difficult time connecting with others? Do most of the people on here really care about each other or are they just a name on a screen? Do people here actually get to know each other or do they just scan forums thinking "I have this problem, maybe this can help" or "hm, I've been there, maybe I can give good advice"? I post on here all the time. If I'm wrong, someone tell me how many kids I have and if they are aspie or NT...

No one cares about me, either.

They call me a fool for posting the truth, whine to the mods because I'm being "blunt", constantly ask "why" after I've given the explanation several times over, and take personal offense when I use words like "delusion", "entitlement", "slackerhood", and "self-defeating behavior".

Disappointed and perplexed to hear several people that I read and appreciate regularly feeling like they aren't appreciated, not that they would know I do necessarily.

The main thing with Autism-spectrum conditions is that we have a tendency to be in our own worlds and not engaging with others so much; even in forums, that's a major factor in what's going on. We all want to be involved and be heard, but we don't reach out to others who meanwhile are thinking the same thing.

S'ok, there's still ways to do that and make a little community for yourself in forums with those you know the best.

I really appreciate the overwhelming responses, everyone. Thank you all!

I like you and your posts too- from what I've seen. But it sounds kind of creepy if I, as a random stranger, say that you're a nice poster, just out of the blue

being human is not a recipe for automatic concord with other humans. i imagine that in a field of grazing cows, that not every "moo" is automatically endorsed by every other cow. some cows may disagree. other "moos" may very well translate to "citations please?".

in all seriousness, i often think that this site is populated by people who wish to display themselves like a peacock fanning their tail feathers to attract adoration. many people only reply to posts that are directly complimentary to their own posts because they are vainglorious, and they do not participate in anything that is not about them. there are a number of very popular members who do that.

many people on this site feel that they are undiscovered gems, and they display their own beings (usually by using another persons post to showcase their own imagined eminence) , and they wish for adulation. they do not really care to be selfless and surrender their own identities (edit 1: replaced the word "by" with "to") to what they may consider to be obsequiousness.

i do not identify with the majority of people on this site, and i do not feel they are really autistic, but they gatecrash conversations because they think they are superior and they think the general focus will shift to them (edit 2: removal of full stop) during the progression of the thread.

i dislike vanity, and vanity is usually cloaked in an otherwise "innocent" context.

for example, there are many posts i have read that say things like: i am sick of girls throwing themselves at me because i am oblivious to their intentions, and i do not know why i am almost raped every time i go out the door.

they cloak the message "i am hot and i want you all to come to that conclusion given what i have said, but i do not want to be considered a show off so i will interlace the message that i am hot in an indirect fashion which makes me look oblivious to it, and therefore even more hot"

i think young people (15-25) are more interested in themselves than anyone else.

they will enter a thread in a disguise of altruism and concern, but the wording of their posts is designed to glorify themselves as a by product of the advice they give.

there is much more to say but i can not be bothered to think about it and i realize that pearls rolled before swine are inevitably going to be ignored in favor of the muck they are laying on..




most people that post in the "display your art" thread are showcasing their own efforts, and their main desire is to be appraised as gifted, but they will sometimes "lower" themselves to say "wow great stuff" about other posts to look humble when in reality they are just reminding everyone else that they exist and they act as if they are humble enough to care outside the domain of their own productions, when in reality they are just hoping that other readers will search their post history to see their own artistic contributions.

the world is a murky place of insincerity and false flattery in order to pull the "camera" toward their own existence.

i posted much stuff in the art thread which i thought would elicit a response, but almost everything i posted was ignored. i do allow that i think of mathematical functions that create my pictures that i write programs to execute and render, and i have been told that i was cheating because i did not draw my pictures with my hand.

i felt that i was being short changed because i devised the functions that created the pictures in my own head. no one could manually draw the pictures i posted, but that was ignored.

i gave up posting my stuff to that thread.

i have not visited that thread for about a year or more, so i have not seen your contributions to it.

similarly, the music thread ignored my contributions due to whatever reasons. most people in that thread are self promoting, and unlikely to even listen to other members contributions, because they care only about appraisals of their own contributions. i have not been there in a long time.
mostly, i found the contributions to the music thread to be garbage because it is all experimental (failed experiments in my mind). maybe they think the same about my contributions, but at least my contributions were fully arranged.

it is sad that you feel sad, and i think your open and brave admission that you feel neglected is very innocent but also confronting to my sense of sympathy. you want to be applauded much more than me, but i can understand that being ignored despite your best efforts is disheartening.

i have said already too much so i will now post some stuff to the music thread, and also to the art thread.

please know that your name and avatar and personality are memorable.


just be strong and consistent. there are seasons for everything. your flavor may become a specialty with some other members if you just give them time to sample that flavor over time.

i say something here every night but 99% of the time it is ignored. 1% of the time someone will read and respond to what i say, and that makes up for the other 99% who do not even bother to read what i say.

everyone is different. there will always be someone who treasures what you say, and you may never know it because they are lurkers who for some reason never joined the site.

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Although I have an interest and background in art, I don't hang out in that forum very much. Besides, I like just about all art work I see. I find what other do amazing. If it is something that I personally relate to, then I might comment. But otherwise I would just leave a trail of "that's really nice." Incidentally, that's exactly what I said the first time I saw a Rembrandt portrait. Even my expressions are monotone. I don't like getting into critiquing because then we get into technicalities and subjective opinion. I just prefer to enjoy what people have done. Lines don't have to be straight. That's what give art our fingerprints. Tangent zone... moving on. I think I did go through all pages of art at one time.

I very much enjoy your posts in the image color threads. Seriously, I'm always eager to see what you've found. Then sometimes I go out and look for a response. I have enjoyed the "themed" images lately. I think because of the images you've post, plus the fact your name is WitchsCat. What is not to like about familiar?! How awesome! I often look for your posts. That might sound creepy. There are a few other people I look for as well. Also may sound creepy. These are people that for some reason I feel comfortable following in a thread.

I've PM'd you some comments and sent a link to an article on Andy Warhol's cat series. I thought about using the images, but I decide to just sent the link to the article. Hope you enjoyed it. I don't expect responses, but I realize that sometimes interaction can be difficult, or they just don't have anything to say. That's ok, as long as I'm not being annoying, and I do worry about that.

Oh, and my comment about lines being straight, that is not aimed at anyone. It is just a long (very long) standing belief I have about Art, expression, and technique. Think of it as expression tolerance, which is something lacking in the mainstream art.

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I find your contributions very unique, b9. Your jet engine clip in one of the music/listening threads made me laugh.

I'm on here pretty often perusing the site, and this thread strikes such a somber tone in how alone everyone feels sometimes.