How do I convince my 8 year old sister to remain cute?

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01 Dec 2016, 7:47 am

Yeah, it's hard to watch kids who are so sweet grow into teenagers who aren't so much. But that's life, it happens to all of us.
I think you will have to come up with a new nickname for her.
Also, it sounds like you are disappointed and are blaming her for growing up. She has no control over that. If you want to keep her as a positive in your life you should respect her for what she is not what you want her to be.



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01 Dec 2016, 11:25 am

Shahunshah wrote:
Well ask yourself a question, Ephraim why should you make your sister cute when it goes against her will?

Why should social workers, psychologists, and even society make me mature, "grow up", toughen up, etc. when it goes against my will.

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If your immature don't you have a cute stuffed soft toy you can say is cute other than your sister?

If a mother's child is sick, doesn't she have a healthy stuffed soft toy she can say is healthy other than her child?

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Your sister will grow up. Not all grown ups act mature all the time but she won't be able to live an even remotely normal life if she stays like a eight (or even younger like you want her to) year old forever. It'd only make her suffer because all of her peers would be too different for her to connect with and her classmates won't find a teen acting like a little child cute at all but would regard such a teen as an easy target for their bullying, school would get too serious for her soon and how should she ever be able to have a job if she kept the mentality of a little child. What you want her to be for the rest of her life would cause her a lot of suffering and it seems it's not what she wants. And you have to accept that. Your attitude towards her seems possessive but not loving at all.

I saw Cutie's friends one time in my house and they seem very shy. There is no way a shy person could bully someone. What my parents, social workers, psychologists, etc. are doing to me (trying to convince me to "improve", "grow up", etc.) also seems possessive but not loving at all.

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She's growing up. There's nothing you can do to stop this. She's going to get bigger and older and act even less cute than she does now. Soon she'll be in middle school, then high school.

Yes there is. I did something to stop it myself. I got bigger and older and still act myself. I even graduated from High School with a Regents Diploma. I'm free now!

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She's already been through her cute phase. That phase will end but you will always remember it. That is life. Nothing in life lasts forever but it always has value even if it only lasted for a short time.

That's like saying to the police about a once friendly boy that grew up to become a criminal: "He's already been through his non-criminal phase. That phase will end but you will always remember it. That is life. Nothing in life lasts forever but it always has value even if it only lasted for a short time."

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Yeah, it's hard to watch kids who are so sweet grow into teenagers who aren't so much. But that's life, it happens to all of us.
I think you will have to come up with a new nickname for her.
Also, it sounds like you are disappointed and are blaming her for growing up. She has no control over that. If you want to keep her as a positive in your life you should respect her for what she is not what you want her to be.

Are you kidding me? I controlled myself not growing up! If I can do it, she can also do it. Also, my parents don't respect me for what I want to be (immature). They want me to "grow up". My parents are making a whole fit all because I act immature. When I say "Hi, Cutie!", they get angry at me and think that i'm bothering Cutie. But, i'm only trying to protect her from this mature disease.

All in all, I think it's the mature people that are the most possessive of all. Seriously! Who gives mature people the right to tell immature people how they are supposed to act. Just take a look at what those mature creatures did on this forum to AdamLain already. http://wrongplanet.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=326686. I don't want Cutie to start pissing off immature people. This mature disease has to stop immediately!


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01 Dec 2016, 2:30 pm

EphraimB wrote:
Why should social workers, psychologists, and even society make me mature, "grow up", toughen up, etc. when it goes against my will.
If a mother's child is sick, doesn't she have a healthy stuffed soft toy she can say is healthy other than her child?


We are not forcing you to be mature Ephraium if you want to stay being a 9 year old that is up to you. What we are saying is that you have no right to try and dominate your sister's life when she really doesn't like it.

But Ephraim it is not just about you if she doesn't want to be called cutie and is embarrased by it deeply what right do you have to force her to be that?



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01 Dec 2016, 2:42 pm

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We are not forcing you to be mature Ephraium if you want to stay being a 9 year old that is up to you. What we are saying is that you have no right to try and dominate your sister's life when she really doesn't like it.

They are by making me an outcast. 2 years ago, I had a friend (moderator edit, name removed - OP, please don't post names of real people you know, it violates their privacy). Unfortunately, last year he matured and wasn't interested in being my friend anymore because I was immature. This is why I do need to dominate my sister's life just like mature people dominate my life by making me an outcast.


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01 Dec 2016, 2:47 pm

EphraimB wrote:
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We are not forcing you to be mature Ephraium if you want to stay being a 9 year old that is up to you. What we are saying is that you have no right to try and dominate your sister's life when she really doesn't like it.

Deep down they are. 2 years ago, I had a friend named Yaakov Brown. Unfortunately, last year he matured and wasn't interested in being my friend anymore because I was immature. This is why I do need to dominate my sister's life just like mature people dominate my life by making me an outcast.
Maybe you need to go out and start trying to find new friends. But dominating people's lives can make people very unhappy.

But if you continue calling your sister cutie it may make her embarrassed and upset, if you care for your sister why would you want that for her.



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01 Dec 2016, 2:48 pm

Why this embracing of the immature? I don't understand. Part of maturing is taking on responsibility. If you don't you are adding to the burden of those around you.



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01 Dec 2016, 2:59 pm

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Why this embracing of the immature? I don't understand. Part of maturing is taking on responsibility. If you don't you are adding to the burden of those around you.

But who has the right to force someone to mature by hurting them emotionally? Also, a week after (name removed) lost interest in being my friend due to my immaturity or he maturing, I actually matured for 3 days in a row and I asked (name removed) why he didn't talk to me and he said to me that he didn't have the time to. I want to put a stop to people maturing. I don't have any friends at all because people mature. It looks like mature people are also adding burden of the immature people around them. Even their close friends.


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01 Dec 2016, 3:05 pm

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...I don't have any friends at all because people mature.

Well yeah, they do. Getting older is hard. All of a sudden you are expected to know how to do things you haven't before. People get angry at things they used to like. It sucks. You will find as you age that change is a constant. From moment to moment nothing stays the same. I don't like this. I wish things were calm and unchanging. Everyone seems to be racing in circles. But that's the way it is. If you don't step up to it, you will continue to isolate yourself. I suggest you compromise where you can. Your sister would be a good place to start. I probably don't have to tell you that puberty is a difficult time for people. This is true for your sister. Things change in a woman's body at that time of her life and it can be hard for a young woman to deal with. I think you should be more supportive of her during this time in her life.



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Well yeah, they do. Getting older is hard. All of a sudden you are expected to know how to do things you haven't before. People get angry at things they used to like. It sucks. You will find as you age that change is a constant. From moment to moment nothing stays the same. I don't like this. I wish things were calm and unchanging. Everyone seems to be racing in circles. But that's the way it is. If you don't step up to it, you will continue to isolate yourself. I suggest you compromise where you can. Your sister would be a good place to start. I probably don't have to tell you that puberty is a difficult time for people. This is true for your sister. Things change in a woman's body at that time of her life and it can be hard for a young woman to deal with. I think you should be more supportive of her during this time in her life.

Even if I would mature, why would people want to be my friend when everybody else has friends already? Why would anybody want to be friends with somebody that doesn't have any friends at all? The only way for me to make friends is to make friends with other people that really need friends. Everybody I know has a whole load of friends already. Even my ex-friend,(name removed)


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01 Dec 2016, 3:23 pm

I don't think you really understand what maturity is...


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01 Dec 2016, 3:24 pm

What do you mean by "mature?" What's your definition? Because the definition most people use is self-improvement and learning from experience.



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01 Dec 2016, 3:38 pm

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What do you mean by "mature?" What's your definition? Because the definition most people use is self-improvement and learning from experience.

Not acting silly, toughening up, etc.


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01 Dec 2016, 3:51 pm

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rats_and_cats wrote:
What do you mean by "mature?" What's your definition? Because the definition most people use is self-improvement and learning from experience.

Not acting silly, toughening up, etc.
Its not just that, when you become mature you learn to respect others and deal with the fact that they might not wish to do the things you want them to.



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Its not just that, when you become mature you learn to respect others and deal with the fact that they might not wish to do the things you want them to.

That's not how I see mature people act. All I see from mature people is hurting other people emotionally and being very strict and expecting people to act like them. How is that respecting others? They also drain all enjoyment out of me. It seems like the second someone becomes mature, they say to themselves "That person that i'm very good friends with is so immature. Look at me! I'm mature!! !! I can take responsibility and be strict and serious. I'm not being friends with that immature person. I don't even care if he's my best friend or BFF. He doesn't know how to toughen up! How childish! I don't care what I was before I matured. That immature person is from now on completely out of my life. I'm now only going to be friends with people who are strict, toughen up, and give army-like orders to other people."


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rats_and_cats wrote:
What do you mean by "mature?" What's your definition? Because the definition most people use is self-improvement and learning from experience.

Not acting silly, toughening up, etc.


That's still pretty vague. If you're imagining adults as people who wear nothing but business casual and enjoy talking about taxes, those types of people are only the minority. Adulthood is not some kind of cult. There are lots of sensitive adults who are perfectly functional, but to some extent it is a good idea to learn to cope with reality. It's not necessary to become completely devoid of emotion, but learning to process that emotion in a way that's constructive is better for mental health. I'm sorry the adults in your life never explained that to you in a good way.

Most adults do act silly, but they learn that there's a time and a place. A family friend of mine who is a realtor plays pranks with her husband all the time at home, but is more formal when on the job. However, she's not completely humorless even in business.

Maturing doesn't mean you become a slave to society, it means you learn to compromise and be more thoughtful of others.

People who call themselves mature and act like bullies aren't really mature, they're liars.



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Its not just that, when you become mature you learn to respect others and deal with the fact that they might not wish to do the things you want them to.

That's not how I see mature people act. All I see from mature people is hurting other people emotionally and being very strict and expecting people to act like them. How is that respecting others? They also drain all enjoyment out of me. It seems like the second someone becomes mature, they say to themselves "That person that i'm very good friends with is so immature. Look at me! I'm mature!! ! ! I can take responsibility and be strict and serious. I'm not being friends with that immature person. I don't even care if he's my best friend or BFF. He doesn't know how to toughen up! How childish! I don't care what I was before I matured. That immature person is from now on completely out of my life. I'm now only going to be friends with people who are strict, toughen up, and give army-like orders to other people."
I wouldn't necessarily define your friends actions as mature. Sometimes being mature is also about respecting people who are different and not rejecting them. Though I don't know the full story of this.

Well as we grow up it is unfortunate that sometimes people will not always want to be around you. And what right do we have to force those people to stay if they don't enjoy someone else's company.

You are also dodging the question.

Why should you have the right to dominate your sister's life and force her to be something she doesn't?