so I've decided to leave Islam

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31 Jan 2017, 6:29 pm

I knew this thread wouldn't be complete without The_Face_of_Boo. :)

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I am atheist too now, but it happened gradually. I went through phases of denial, seeking for other explanations, theorizing...etc

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I think the OP went through these phases, I remember I told her it's time to leave islam in some thread, I could see her values can't coexist wit her faith and it was waning already to that point.

Yes, the cognitive dissonance finally reached a boiling point with me. I have always loved Islam and its traditions, but I realized I was really just cherry-picking parts of the religion that I liked. The words of the Quran, and words and deeds of Muhammad, are full of things I just can't defend.

I can't be atheist though. I've seen and experience things that can't be explained by hard scientific rationalism. I was actually thinking about maybe becoming a Wiccan? I have lots of Wiccan and pagan friends already. And I see that their magic, rather than being evil satanic sorcery, is actually rooted in a love and respect for the forces of nature.



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01 Feb 2017, 11:34 am

I'm agnostic and so are parents and sister, but there are a lot of devout Christians in my extended family. They have never once tried to convert me or impose their beliefs and I was taught that a person's religion was a private matter not to be argued about. That's part of the reason why I could never be one of those aggressive atheists who say religious people are stupid, etc., because I know that's not true.

Don't argue about religion or politics in polite company is what my dad taught me. I would never criticize or ridicule someone's beliefs UNLESS they try to impose them on me or others or enact them into law.



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02 Feb 2017, 12:17 am

Barchan wrote:
I knew this thread wouldn't be complete without The_Face_of_Boo. :)

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
I am atheist too now, but it happened gradually. I went through phases of denial, seeking for other explanations, theorizing...etc

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
I think the OP went through these phases, I remember I told her it's time to leave islam in some thread, I could see her values can't coexist wit her faith and it was waning already to that point.

Yes, the cognitive dissonance finally reached a boiling point with me. I have always loved Islam and its traditions, but I realized I was really just cherry-picking parts of the religion that I liked. The words of the Quran, and words and deeds of Muhammad, are full of things I just can't defend.

I can't be atheist though. I've seen and experience things that can't be explained by hard scientific rationalism. I was actually thinking about maybe becoming a Wiccan? I have lots of Wiccan and pagan friends already. And I see that their magic, rather than being evil satanic sorcery, is actually rooted in a love and respect for the forces of nature.


Interesting thread. Glad that you mentioned Boo.

Not gonna say you should, or should not, leave your old religion. But it did seem like you were gravitating towards the exit door for a long time. So I am not totally surprised. You can still identify with the Islamic culture of your homeland even if you dont adhere to the religion ( I consider myself to be an "ethnic Protestant" because of my family's German American north European heritage even though I am not religious).

You and Sweetleaf ought to compare notes about Paganism (I believe that she has interest in the Norse Gods of Valhalla).



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02 Feb 2017, 5:27 am

I still remember the very moment when I decided to finish with Christianity - I was raised as a Catholic kid and pretty much all my friends were Catholics too (I grew up in Poland). We had religion classes in secondary school and one day I just stood up, muttered "I won't be listening to that nonsense any more" and went straight to the priest-teacher and told him to remove me from the list of kids in the register for good. One girl followed me (she is one of my best friends still) and we just left, like that, wow, I felt free! :)

I'm one of those people who don't need religion in their lives at all. I can't prove that gods don't exist, so my opinion is - they might do, but I don't care. I respect all people's private beliefs (gods, angels, fairies, demons...) but I'm very much against any organized religion. I also don't like militant atheists who think any sort of belief is stupid and believers are silly inferior human beings.

When I was a teen I've been drawn to Wicca as it's so very much connected to seasons, harvest, Nature, celebrating the world we see here and now, but I couldn't truly believe in any of the gods or spirits of the dead or any afterlife.



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02 Feb 2017, 6:00 am

That sounds familiar. In a lot of ways, I still have a christian morality, in the sense that I rebuilt a lot of my personal sense of ethics from the ground up, but some things didn't seem to need changing so I more or less left them as they were. Also, knowing the bible is essential to understanding lots of cultural references, so it's a part of my vocabulary.

It sounds like you have the support of people around you.


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02 Feb 2017, 7:33 am

Barchan wrote:
I knew this thread wouldn't be complete without The_Face_of_Boo. :)

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
I am atheist too now, but it happened gradually. I went through phases of denial, seeking for other explanations, theorizing...etc

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
I think the OP went through these phases, I remember I told her it's time to leave islam in some thread, I could see her values can't coexist wit her faith and it was waning already to that point.

Yes, the cognitive dissonance finally reached a boiling point with me. I have always loved Islam and its traditions, but I realized I was really just cherry-picking parts of the religion that I liked. The words of the Quran, and words and deeds of Muhammad, are full of things I just can't defend.

I can't be atheist though. I've seen and experience things that can't be explained by hard scientific rationalism. I was actually thinking about maybe becoming a Wiccan? I have lots of Wiccan and pagan friends already. And I see that their magic, rather than being evil satanic sorcery, is actually rooted in a love and respect for the forces of nature.



As long it's not a religion that justifies killing and hating others, then it's fine.

You can worship the sun or the horses, for all I care.



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02 Feb 2017, 7:37 am

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I too went through a long process of losing what faith I had acquired as a child. I just hope Barchan is careful who she shares that type of information with. I personally have been disowned by distant relatives that wanted to force their will and personal beliefs on me. As I am sure you know all too well, that sort of information can wreak havoc on people's lives and the price can be very steep. I admire your courage Boo.


You need to check this thread: viewtopic.php?t=320545

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in Egypt:


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This program claims that atheism is rising in Saudi Arabia, to about 5% of young people according to a study, and theory reason they claim (in the program) is due to the wahabbi extremist policy.



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02 Feb 2017, 1:39 pm

I am glad to live in a place where I am protected by freedom of religion, even though it is currently under attack. Everyone in this world should have that right.


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02 Feb 2017, 1:54 pm

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I am glad to live in a place where I am protected by freedom of religion, even though it is currently under attack

Hm? I haven't heard about attacks on freedom of religion, could you be a little more specific?



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02 Feb 2017, 3:04 pm

One word sums it up, Trump.


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02 Feb 2017, 3:31 pm

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FWIW, I don't put much trust in labels. If someone tells me they're Muslim or Christian or even non-religious or atheist, it tells me nothing about them except what they profess to believe. I need to know someone's character-- and that can only be gleaned by interacting and watching how they are with other people especially, as the saying goes, people that can do nothing for them.

To quote Marcus Aurelius:

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Live a good life. If there are gods and they are just, then they will not care how devout you have been, but will welcome you based on the virtues you have lived by. If there are gods, but unjust, then you should not want to worship them. If there are no gods, then you will be gone, but will have lived a noble life that will live on in the memories of your loved ones.


Great quote and post. :) Losing faith was a lonely and painful process for me, but also one of discovery so not all bad. I also got to examine all my values to see how they'd change without faith, so I feel more grounded in what I do believe. I miss the idea of an all-loving God who wants what's best for us. However, there's so much I can believe in still, like the power of love and community, or the value of learning for its own sake, or the wonder and beauty of nature.



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04 Feb 2017, 2:38 am

Barchan wrote:
I can't be atheist though. I've seen and experience things that can't be explained by hard scientific rationalism. I was actually thinking about maybe becoming a Wiccan? I have lots of Wiccan and pagan friends already. And I see that their magic, rather than being evil satanic sorcery, is actually rooted in a love and respect for the forces of nature.


Don't mistake this as an attempt to convert, you should do whatever you feel is right for you. However, just because something is difficult to explain doesn't necessarily mean there is no explanation to be found.


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04 Feb 2017, 4:05 am

It would be wiser not to tell everyone though especially distant relatives. Otherwise you will listen a lot of lectures and maybe even hostility.

For me, only my parents/sibling, and the girl who was about to become my gf (long story), and other atheist buddies know.

My coworker is an atheist former Muslim too, he is much more vocal about it - but he moved to a Christian area for quite long and been in a long relationship with a Christian.



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06 Mar 2017, 9:04 pm

I was born into a united Methodist family. I left the religion when I was younger. I still get along with the family, my dad occasionally makes jokes about it. I bow my head in prayer on holidays usually if we are at a friends house. I am an agnostic atheist now and love reading about science.

OP I hope you find a religion fit for you.



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06 Mar 2017, 9:11 pm

Barchan wrote:
Thanks for the replies, everyone. It was something I needed to get off my chest, and reading your words fills me with hope.

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I just hope you live in a place in the world, it is safe for you to do that. Be careful, okay?

I do. I understand Islam has a reputation for being a difficult religion to leave, but I stopped going to mosque months ago and no one seems to care. I think as long as I don't speak against the religion or convert to Christianity, they won't bother me.


Even if you did do those things they shouldn't bother you...and it would be pushy if they did, but there are pushy Christians too...that is what I grew up as and I have absolutely no interest in it anymore.


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07 Mar 2017, 1:12 am

I saw that you replied, MushroomPrincess, but it seems to have been deleted. Message me on Facebook if there's something you wanted to talk about. Happy birthday, by the way :)