Seems the hating on lonely single men is coming back

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Women date up not even. They want men who make more then them thus women working retail while going to college won’t date a guy who’s sole job is retail.

I’m never going be able to work a higher paying job. I’ll be lucky if I can keep managing to work at all. I’m going be on disability until i die why can’t you get that through your head. Not everyone can change or get better.

No I doubt th us care about those things if I had a well paid job. Just as if I wasn’t depressed or have anxiety but worked min wage they’d still not date me. Why can’t you take women saying they won’t date men who don’t have a well paid job at their word? Kinda sexist to tell them what they really thinking.

Let me put it this way no ones ever suspected me of being off or having Austrian and they are surprised when I tell them I’m disabled and what I have.

You sound like men who say oh you must dressed slu*ty. It’s nevwr the other people always the victim. Ever stop to think maybe it is the other people just as I didn’t make people bully me in school no matter how hard adults tried to make it my fault.

The I’m sexual frustrated too thread

Continuing to talk to someone after they’ve repeatedly told you to stop is the definition for harassment. It say you did it to me in real life I’d filed for restraining order. You have not idea when to stop.

They don't suspect you're disabled, in my opinion, because there's lots of you which is healthy and not disabled.

I say what’s true and reality. I’ve long since stopped fighting reality. It’s naive to think I’ll ever be loved by a woman. Half my life is gone and I never had a single gf or a 2nd date and last 5ish years I haven’t had any dates at all. Women have gotten more picky as I aged. All my dates were when I was 22-26 and were 18-23 old women who I can’t date anymore. 24+ women want men with their life together and refuse to be messaged or talked to by men who don’t. 18-23 old women are atleast open to talking and going on a date with men like me.
This years are gone so I’m doomed.

You grew up in the 70/80s women today are way different. They self obsessed like most people of my generation or the next one. There’s a reason they called me generation. They only care about themselves and what other people will give them. It’s called self love. How’d the guy put it “you say you love fish but you catch and kill the fish no you don’t love fish you love yourself and how fish makes you happy.” “People think how can they make my life better , not how can I make their life better” they worry about how a poor man will mean they can’t go on vacations or have a big house. They just want their happiness and life cared for not love. They have self love not love. Real love wouldn’t care about anything besides personality and how that person makes you feel. If a guy makes you happy then you should be fine being poor and if a woman makes you happy you should be fine that she’s not thin. Body shape and money are superficial things that won’t last. When their gone what’s left of thst “love”? Divorce that’s what.

Did you spend your whole life alone never having had a gf or sex? I’m 30 that’s 30 years of being alone and unloved while others go from relationship to relationship since age 7-12

Portland is horrible I’m not liberal hippy progressive. I’d be in prison if I lived there.
Eugene is bad enough

I think sly, and a few others on WP, are simply afraid of being unfairly judged.

They think I’m Normal. Some have been shocked I don’t have a family when they ask.
They talk crap about people like us to me cause they think I’m one of them.
It’s a curse. I appear and seem normal. Only if they dated me or became friends would they get insights that I’m not.

Like say they Hook me up with some lady she’s going be super pissed at them when she gets to know me

True that. It’s happen here in the past and feels like it’s coming around again.

As for life I wish women would give me a chance and get to know me then reject or date me based on who I am not how much I make or cause I don’t drivr a car.

If I were you, I'd wish that, too.

It sucks. I know it sucks. It's not fair. I agree.

Don't listen to those "incel" people. And don't listen to those who insult lonely men, and try to make them out to be Elliot Rodger types or whatever. Just ignore all those people.

Why are you fixated on job titles & income levels as the primary criteria that make a man sexually attractive?

Very few women are attracted to men's money primarily. We call them gold diggers for a reason. Sure, having a good job and money helps, but it most certainly is not the be all and end all of attraction.

I can tell you with 100% certainty that job status & income level has about Zero relevance to whether I find a guy attractive or not. In fact, it's almost NEVER in my life that I even knew what a guy's job or income level is when I have sex with them. It's not a thing that matters when it comes to sexual attraction. It may matter more when it comes to long term relationship viability, but not for sexual attraction. The ONLY times that status have come into play for my sex is life is when I feel like I'm hooking up with someone "out of my league," because they're a model/entertainer, have very high social status, or live in a very very rich neighbourhood - then and only then is it kind of like "Oh wow, this is fun because I've managed to connect with someone I don't think I'm fully qualified to be with, but what the hell - if they're into it I'm definitely down to hookup out of my league!" Other than that, chances are that MOST of the guys I've hooked up with are very much working class poor here/in debt, like almost everyone younger than myself who's struggling to make ends meet in this exorbitantly expensive city. But they're typically happy and healthy and in decent shape and don't outwardly fret about their finances.. they're just out to have a good time, whether it's a hookup or to go to some bangin' warehouse party in an elaborate costume. People enjoy their time, themselves, and their partners even w/o any money. I know I enjoy mine just the same when my chequing account is down to $5 as I do when it's much higher. Sure, I have the stability of knowing I have other money, but it's inaccessible & I maximize the amount of fun and enjoyment I get out of life of minimal funds - and no one I ever hookup with knows whether I've left myself with $5 in my bank account or $50k - it's completely irrelevant to a date or sex.

Here's a more heterosexual example for you to consider; this guy right here:



Do you think, in general, that women would find him sexually attractive and may want to consent to sex with him? He's not my type at all, but IMO, the answer is yes, he's generally considered an attractive man & women would likely consent to sex with him.

Questions: What is is job? What is his income level? What is his net worth?

Answers: We don't know and it doesn't matter because it's irrelevant.

This is because sexual attraction is primarily based on physical attraction, not one's job title or the size of their paycheque nor bank account. If this guy chatted up a woman in a bar he'd probably get laid, or get a phone number, or get a date - whatever his objective was & whatever she mutually consented to. He's not particularly stunningly good looking or anything, but he is fairly fit and healthy. That's what women are generally attracted to. Health & fitness. And literally anyone on the planet can decide that they wanted to increase their sex appeal to others by getting healthier & fitter over time. It takes time, dedication, discipline, focus etc but literally anyone can decide they want a healthier fitter body for themselves in order to attract others - and then do the work required, and over a period of several months to a few short years, they become the healthier, fitter, more sexually attractive version of themselves that they want to be.

Sometimes when people ask me why I work out I semi-jokingly tell them that it's because I like hooking up with 21 year olds and I don't have a million dollars. While it's for a bit of a laugh amongst men, it's funny because it's true. It's far easier to maintain & increase my sex appeal by building my body than it is to build an immense amount of wealth. Even if you never ever earn more money than you do, you can do the things & eat a diet that makes you healthier, fitter, and inevitably more sexually attractive regardless of your job title or income level that no one will care about when they see you and are attracted to what they see.

That guy could also be a total dick.....who can only have relationships with dicktresses.....

Maybe, maybe not. Who knows, who cares?

The point is that human sexual attraction is typically to healthy fit bodies, not job titles & finances.

I know plenty of very sexy looking poor people who can get dates or sex as often as they want them because job titles & income levels do not matter much, if at all, when it comes to sexual attraction.

Hell, almost all of them could just as easily get relationships, too, because it's about their appearance & personality, not their job nor their income.

Same goes for me and my appeal to those that are attracted to me. Not just the ones I hookup with, but also the many that have wanted to date me. Pretty well NONE of them had any idea what my job or income is, because it doesn't matter.

Blaming one's job title and income level as the main reason they cannot get a date is misguided. It's not the main reason. It's due to physical or personality unattractiveness vs. occupation or finances.

I always say that it would be better if Sly stayed away from the dating sites----and meet people in real life instead.

Could be better. To me, that's an NT thing, as well as somewhat outdated. Even most NT's are meeting via dating sites and apps these days vs. casual conversation in the grocery store line. That's not to say it doesn't happen, it's just that dating sites and apps are the new normal. Personally, I prefer them because I am Very good at text communication in a chat app or email and can usually quite easily persuade someone to meet in person. Almost all of the dates/hookups I've had have been because of sites/apps. If I had to achieve these things in person the old fashioned NT way it'd be much more nerve wracking and I'd likely have had less than 10% the success I have online. Although, maybe I'd get good at it over time, too - never know. I know I'm a much stronger text communicator vs. flirt in person kind of guy unless I happen to be intoxicated at some gay party, then things are fine there.

Regardless, if online sites/apps aren't getting results, then sly should either change his approach to using them/learn how to create a better profile/photo & communication, OR, like you suggest, just be open to randomly meeting people in public - or go to places where he might set himself up for success to meet someone, like a coffee shop or w/e - wherever people sly's into congregate.

You're 100% right, though, kraftie, there's no sense in doing the same thing and expecting different results. Change is good! Maybe getting offline and out in the real world will be much better for sly. Can't hurt to try it and find out!

Those people are the same ones who are on dating sites with the same requirements.
I’ve meet plenty of women in real life who tell me the same things.

Sorry those women won’t stop what many here and society says is perfectly reasonable expectations offline. They just more upfront about it online cause they can’t walk around with a sign on their chest that says you must have this to date me. But it comes up on the dates. What’s your job and how much do you make are the near top questions asked to me on dates. Most women expect a man to have a good job , car and own place. As long as I don’t have those they won’t be interested in me it’s that simple

If those are the three things you truly believe are constraining you from having the dating life you want, what are you doing to work towards obtaining them & removing those constraints and overcoming women's objections?

How many times do I have to explain to you I can’t change them. Do I need to cut my legs off so I’m physically disabled for you to get it?

Knowing what’s wrong doesn’t mane you can change it. We know hurricanes are coming but we can’t atop them no matter what we do.

Why do you believe it's impossible for you to change any of these things?

Many others have before you.

I think the single biggest constraint you have is your own self limiting belief that you cannot improve yourself or your capabilities. Once you overcome that & realize that you Can do and achieve a lot more than you think you can, you'll be well on your way to doing it.

Apples to oranges, sly. Stopping hurricanes is completely incomparable to self improvement.