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29 Sep 2018, 6:32 pm

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Well, I have advocated that my niece wanted heroic measures, and so for two days, her vitals are stable, her labs are slowly trending in the right direction, and she opens her eyes though she does not respond to commands. Believe it or not, she has been even worse and survived it and become somewhat independent. With periods of sobriety, she then relapses, but I don't know what the triggers are.

I actually have hope that she comes through this, although I feel she should be sent directly to inpatient alcohol rehab if she does.

The conflict for many medical personnel is, what quality of life will this woman have? Wouldn't it be kinder to let her go? Well, after a similar crisis 5 years ago, she did indeed have some quality of life, I can certainly attest. Being disabled myself gives me a different perspective on what makes life livable.

Again, thank you for kind sentiments. KK, best wishes for your father. I agree, it's great that he has a wife to be there for him.


I'm glad to hear your niece is stable. Don't let the medical staff guilt you in to giving up on her. You know her better than they do.



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29 Sep 2018, 8:11 pm

Being medical POA is a tough place to be, especially when the doctors want different from what you have been told by the patient. You have taken, and are performing well, responsibility for making her medical decisions per her wishes. POA and the doctors do not get to decide what the patient wanted. Good for you for fulfilling your part. I am truly sorry for what your niece has gone through and am glad she has you by her side, figuratively. At some level, I suspect she knows that.


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29 Sep 2018, 10:27 pm

Thanks, Chronos and blazingstar. Actually there is some good news. Her labs continue to improve, vitals are stable, and today she began to be responsive, spoke a couple of words. I have growing hope for a recovery.

Meanwhile though, the hospital called me because apparently a number of different people have been in and out of her house, some even defecating on the floor, and there has been some theft. I find this situation awful, but why is it my burden just because I have medical POA? All I signed up for was to help with end-of-life decisions, but the hospital social worker has me calling the police to go over and check what is going on at the house. I am out of state and can't really do much about it. Still, it was good talking to the social worker, sharing a bit about the extreme dysfunction in the family and my hopes that aftercare will include alcohol rehab and mental health treatment.

As I said before, compassion and love for this person means support without letting her "crazy" very far into my life.


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30 Sep 2018, 3:50 am

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My alcoholic niece, daughter of my sister who committed suicide last February, is in the hospital in another state, again. I am the medical power of attorney. The doctor contacted me hinting that she wanted the okay not to resuscitate.

well if she is alcoholic, it is likely that her illness at the moment is end stage liver disease.
the doctor would not canvass the issue of life support if they had no reason to suspect that it may be needed.
it does look grave i am sorry. i am not an expert however (obviously).
if there is no chance of recovery to a state of reasonable health, it may be better to let nature take it's course.


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I had to say that we have had extensive discussions and my niece wanted all measures to prolong life, including life supports. I suspect she will not survive this one - but people have expected her to die before. It's all very sad.


i suppose extensive investigation is necessary before making a decision, but even without blood results, it is easy to see oncoming death in advanced cases of cirrhosis.
pitting edema, swollen ankles and calves, jaundice, ascites, coca cola colored urine, cream colored excrement etc.
an increase in ammonia due to the malfunction can cause mental confusion and reduced awareness.

if these things are happening, then it may even be too late now for a liver transplant. if there is no possibility of transplant, then i guess at some stage you are flogging a dead horse and the end will come.

it is not your responsibility to save her life if it would take a miracle to save her



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30 Sep 2018, 6:09 am

Since she has recovered from worse, I would have advocated aggressively seeking to maintain life as well.

Don’t allow yourself to become an integral part of life once she recovers. Think that “the ball is in her court.” She has to want to change.



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30 Sep 2018, 8:52 am

I tried to reply twice to B9, and cloudflare or captcha or whatever ate my replies. I'm done.

Crap forum software sucks. I've been patient up till now, but this is an abuse of my time and earnest attempts to communicate.


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30 Sep 2018, 9:06 am

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...I find this situation awful, but why is it my burden just because I have medical POA...?

POAs have numerous authorities which can be "delegated" to another person in part or total. Maybe you should start delegating. That way, you could oversee the various jobs you are expected to manage but without actually doing them yourself. Of course, if no one else wants the delegated work, as well, you are back where you started. I doubt that there are any funds attached to the POA work, so that makes it extra difficult.

I know you wouldn't abandon your POA expectations, but maybe there are ways to trim them back. I learned with my mother to hit my marks perfectly, but find ways to get things done without tasking myself too much. Otherwise, I would have done more than 16-hour days. Don't push yourself too far. I tried that and it is ruinous to yourself. Some things just must be put on the back burners ... especially providers of all stripes who demand "signatures and permissions."


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30 Sep 2018, 9:20 am

BeaArthur wrote:
I tried to reply twice to B9, and cloudflare or captcha or whatever ate my replies. I'm done.

Crap forum software sucks. I've been patient up till now, but this is an abuse of my time and earnest attempts to communicate.

You don't have to tell me. If I get another damages bill from Best Buy Geek Squad to the tune of $161.56 again (during the "Great WrongPlanet.net URL-Hack of 2018"), it will be sent directly to Alex.


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30 Sep 2018, 9:30 am

Bea, You are not obligated to do anything except be POA for medical. You can just say that to whoever calls. If they ask what should they do about x,y,z, you can tell them - do whatever they would expect to do if there were no one else to call. Hospitals are familiar with that situation; they just want to dump the responsibility on someone else. I have this fight with hospitals frequently in my work. Actually, you have no legal authority to intervene in her other affairs.

I have trouble with the website too, sometimes losing long posts that I have thought hard about.

I hope your niece continues to improve and can move on with her life. It is not up to us to judge the meaningfulness of another individual's life. You are doing the right thing.


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01 Oct 2018, 7:23 pm

Thanks for your support, people. The progress report is that my niece has improved each day, first saying a single word, today carrying on a conversation with her nurse. The kidneys are out of danger. I will try to chat on the phone with her tomorrow.

I'm going to reduce my involvement here but wanted to acknowledge the kind comments I have received.


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01 Oct 2018, 7:26 pm

I'm really glad your niece "beat the odds" again.

There are some people who believe my father is destined for a nursing home, and will never see his home again. His wife does not believe that; she believes he will be home after a period of rehab.

This is why I don't really advocate "pulling the plug" or any sort of euthanasia unless there really is "no hope."



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01 Oct 2018, 7:45 pm

Take care Bea. Don’t forget to take care of yourself too. I’m glad your niece is improving.

Kraftie, it’s good that your father has someone who cares for him, with him. My father died twenty years ago. I lived about a six hour drive away and it was hard while he was ill. He had my stepmother with him.



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01 Oct 2018, 7:52 pm

His wife is my stepmother, too (obviously). She is only 4 years older than me.

When I went to Chicago a month ago, she was taking extensive notes, and seeking to learn how to turn him, and care for him in general. She took notes even when "rounds" occurred.

Again, I'm glad your niece is recovering quickly. Wouldn't it be nice if this is sort of a "wakeup call" for her? Maybe she can finally ditch the alcohol?



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01 Oct 2018, 8:28 pm

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...She took notes even when "rounds" occurred....

I called rounds "the doctors' scrum." I followed them every day, and saved my mother from getting accidentally discharged when she should have been admitted immediately for a month. When the attending physician (a neurologist) heard what I had to say about his discharging her (in "clinical-ese"), he started barking orders to get her into the stroke department. He and I became good friends for a couple years.

It is always good to take notes and use them. My memorization skills saved my mother for a couple extra years. :)


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01 Oct 2018, 9:09 pm

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His wife is my stepmother, too (obviously). She is only 4 years older than me.
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I didn’t refer to her as your stepmother as some people are sensitive to their parents marrying again. My siblings do not refer to our stepmother as such.



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01 Oct 2018, 9:19 pm

You’re definitely a usefully smart man, Utah.

I get what you mean, Anne.