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07 Nov 2019, 7:23 pm

A "deductible" is the maximum amount you have to pay for health care per year. I have no deductible with GHI---but I do with Blue Cross/Blue Shield. It's $500.

A "co-pay" is what you pay each time you see a doctor. I pay $15 per office visit.

The deductible for Medicare Part B is almost $200. There's no co-pay with most Medicare plans.

"Civil Service" is when you work for a government. There are many protections and excellent job security if you get a civil service job. You almost always take a civil service test. I've been a civil servant for 39 years.



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07 Nov 2019, 7:31 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
A "deductible" is the maximum amount you have to pay for health care per year. I have no deductible with GHI---but I do with Blue Cross/Blue Shield. It's $500.

A "co-pay" is what you pay each time you see a doctor. I pay $15 per office visit.

The deductible for Medicare Part B is almost $200. There's no co-pay with most Medicare plans.


I understand. What is the point to insurance if one is still paying? Is the insurance sort of like a coupon in a way?

What is the logical purpose of co-pay? How does it fit in a bigger picture sort of way? Again, I have missing gaps in my understanding of things as you see?

And, what is coninsurance? What does that mean and how does it fit in the bigger picture?



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07 Nov 2019, 7:35 pm

The point to insurance----is that, without insurance, if you stay at a hospital a week, your bill will be thousands of dollars, if not tens of thousands.

Whereas, under Blue Cross/Blue Shield, all you have to pay for all treatments is $500 a year.



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07 Nov 2019, 7:36 pm

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Everything doesn't have to be this complicated song-and-dance.


Well, for me what may be simple for you is a complicated song and dance for me. I don't think like most people and it seems like my thinking style is different then the autistics on here.



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07 Nov 2019, 7:37 pm

I think I explained myself pretty well here.

I'm an autistic person, too, by the way.



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07 Nov 2019, 7:39 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
The point to insurance----is that, without insurance, if you stay at a hospital a week, your bill will be thousands of dollars, if not tens of thousands.

Whereas, under Blue Cross/Blue Shield, all you have to pay for all treatments is $500 a year.


Ok, you see I didn't get that part of it being $1000s to $10000s of dollars. So, I'm right then medical insurance is sort of like a coupon (as an analogy) only you cut into a major bill.

This right here helps a lot.



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07 Nov 2019, 7:40 pm

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I think I explained myself pretty well here.

I'm an autistic person, too, by the way.


Are you angry?



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07 Nov 2019, 7:45 pm

Of course not.

The health insurance means you pay much less ($500 max) than you would if you didn't have insurance ($10,000 or more).

Most of the time, jobs in private industry have health insurance which has much higher deductibles. Meaning you have to pay much more out of your pocket. I've seen health plans which have $5,000 deductibles.

If you go the civil service route, you get very good health insurance for free or for a very low price.



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07 Nov 2019, 7:48 pm

I think I may understand medical insurance in a bigger picture sort of way using an analogy. For medical insurance, what one needs to do is find one that has both low copay, low deductible, and try to get as much bang for one's buck as possible. And, the more health conditions one has the more likely one's copay and deductible will go up. And, one may have to pay a monthly fee and one's health condition determines how much one will be paying as well.

Now, that's one thing now I understand. Much more to go.

And, why do people get so angry when I ask for further detail?



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07 Nov 2019, 7:53 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
Of course not.

The health insurance means you pay much less ($500 max) than you would if you didn't have insurance ($10,000 or more).

Most of the time, jobs in private industry have health insurance which has much higher deductibles. Meaning you have to pay much more out of your pocket. I've seen health plans which have $5,000 deductibles.

If you go the civil service route, you get very good health insurance for free or for a very low price.


Now, I understand. Why couldn't people explain this to me including my parents? Why do people get upset when I ask for clarification such as you gave me? Why couldn't they give me the answers I needed?



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07 Nov 2019, 7:53 pm

Because they have to think. And they have to come up with the words. Sometimes, that's difficult for people.

One of the reasons why ObamaCare is bad is because many plans have very high deductibles.

If you have IT skills, you could, perhaps, take a civil service test for your city, county, state, or Federal government.

The only skill I had when I started working where I'm working now----is typing. I started here in 1980, when I was 19. I took a civil service test soon after I started. I passed the test with a reasonable score, so I was put on the "rolls" or a "civil service list" until I was "picked up" by my employer. I became a probationary civil service employee November of 1981. I became a full-fledged civil service employee in May of 1982.



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07 Nov 2019, 8:00 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
Because they have to think. And they have to come up with the words. Sometimes, that's difficult for people.

One of the reasons why ObamaCare is bad is because many plans have very high deductibles.

If you have IT skills, you could, perhaps, take a civil service test for your city, county, state, or Federal government.


For the most part, you are so extremely easy to understand. And, you're very patient as well.

And, you showed me how I was overly-reliant on logic and syllogisms.



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07 Nov 2019, 8:02 pm

If I were you, I would take a civil service test. And put yourself on the "rolls." Sometimes, it could take something like 3-4 years for you to be "called" or "picked up."

It's like being on a waiting list for apartments.



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07 Nov 2019, 8:03 pm

Kraftie, let me put it to you this way. It took me a long time to realize that positive and negative attitude was not meant to be used in a mathematical or boolean sort of way.

Positive and negative within this context are emotional dispositions and not meant to be taken as math and logical operators.



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07 Nov 2019, 8:10 pm

Yep. That's true.

Emotions usually have some "logic" to them----but definitely not "formal" logic.

When I took my civil service test, I had to use a pencil. Nowadays, you take the tests with computer terminals.

You usually pay about $75 or so to take the test. They are usually taken in schools and such. They make you empty your pockets and put your stuff in a locker.



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07 Nov 2019, 8:24 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
Yep. That's true.

Emotions usually have some "logic" to them----but definitely not "formal" logic.

When I took my civil service test, I had to use a pencil. Nowadays, you take the tests with computer terminals.

You usually pay about $75 or so to take the test. They are usually taken in schools and such. They make you empty your pockets and put your stuff in a locker.



Can you tell me more about these tests if you don't mind?