God damn it racists ruined a pleasant family outing!

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07 Feb 2020, 4:40 am

The best advice I can offer is to be polite and civil, and to avoid businesses that are too blatantly racist.

While I don't like terrorists, I have nothing against anyone who is civilized. I don't care what color people are. If you are civilized, great. If you are a barbarian in your behavior, then get lost. Being either civilized or a barbarian has nothing to do with your color or ethnicity, so again, I don't care what color people are. I'm white, but during my working years I worked with people of many colors/ethnic groups/countries, and never had problems to do with race issues. Once in a while, I'd encounter someone who was a jerk, but it never had anything to do with race, as jerks come in all colors, including mine. Fortunately tho, most people are pretty decent.

I'm not going to get into a long politcal discussion, or try to persuade others to my point of view on politics, but I just want to say that race isn't an issue when I vote, either. I would have voted for Alan Keyes, or Herbert Cain for President, and they are both black. Their color is irrelevent to my voting choice. What matters to me is that they mostly share my views, and are decent, civilized people. I was sorry in both cases that they dropped out of their presidential races before voting day. Instead, I had to hold my nose to vote for RINOs I didn't like. I would not have had to hold my nose to vote for these two guys.

No one acting in a civilized fashion should have to put up with blatantly rude behavior from the staff at places of business open to the public, but in such cases all you can really do is to be polite and civil, or take your business elsewhere.


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09 Feb 2020, 6:57 pm

I'm really sorry that happened to you and your family.


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12 Feb 2020, 11:31 am

Hi salad I couldn't bear to do more than skim this as it is painful to think about. I can only imagine how it must feel in reality where u have no option to 'skim'.

As my dad said one minute you can be living next to and working alongside people... Kids go to same schools. They could be looking after your kids or vice versa... Next moment they can kill you.

He was referring to Sikhs getting killed in India in a city (he is not Sikh he was just telling me that, to say that you don't know what is in someone's secret heart,

and that people can meet you with a smile and stab you in the back etc..)

I don't know if this will work but laughing it out might work to temporarily relieve some strain.

Specific to muslims.. If you google Legally Brown ..
he makes fun of these attitudes (both towards muslims and the stupid things we think and do too...to be honest the comedy targets everyone) and turns it on its head. It's very grounding for me to see those videos.

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12 Feb 2020, 11:34 am

questor wrote:
The best advice I can offer is to be polite and civil, and to avoid businesses that are too blatantly racist.

While I don't like terrorists, I have nothing against anyone who is civilized. I don't care what color people are. If you are civilized, great. If you are a barbarian in your behavior, then get lost. Being either civilized or a barbarian has nothing to do with your color or ethnicity, so again, I don't care what color people are. I'm white, but during my working years I worked with people of many colors/ethnic groups/countries, and never had problems to do with race issues. Once in a while, I'd encounter someone who was a jerk, but it never had anything to do with race, as jerks come in all colors, including mine. Fortunately tho, most people are pretty decent.

I'm not going to get into a long politcal discussion, or try to persuade others to my point of view on politics, but I just want to say that race isn't an issue when I vote, either. I would have voted for Alan Keyes, or Herbert Cain for President, and they are both black. Their color is irrelevent to my voting choice. What matters to me is that they mostly share my views, and are decent, civilized people. I was sorry in both cases that they dropped out of their presidential races before voting day. Instead, I had to hold my nose to vote for RINOs I didn't like. I would not have had to hold my nose to vote for these two guys.

No one acting in a civilized fashion should have to put up with blatantly rude behavior from the staff at places of business open to the public, but in such cases all you can really do is to be polite and civil, or take your business elsewhere.



Im not sure how the second para started off that way. Im going to give it the benefit of the doubt of ASD way of approaching things but there is an implication there.


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12 Feb 2020, 2:37 pm

quite an extreme wrote:
Muslims aren't a race so it wasn't racism but they were obviously disliking muslims. There are reasons for it. Many muslims don't socialize with other people (islam even requires it) they break social rules and treat women bad (Women aren't even allowed to dress like they want.). For this I understand if the waitress disliked them and didn't want to serve them. Sorry but people who are known for not caring the social rules aren't liked very well once they appear. Don't take it personal but realize that muslims don't have a good image.


Bad experiences with some Muslims don't justify in any way treating in such a hostile and disrespectful manner a group of well-behaved, decent people :(

I fully understand what it's like to get bad experiences with certain groups, it happened to me too, but as far as I'm concerned it's never an excuse to take it out on other members of said groups. Hatred begets more hatred and punishes the innocent.


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12 Feb 2020, 3:00 pm

quite an extreme wrote:
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Bad experiences with some Muslims don't justify in any way treating in such a hostile and disrespectful manner a group of well-behaved, decent people :(

Whether you like it or not - people are this way. I some muslimic countries muslims would even kill you if you once you don't care the social rules and for instance just fu*k with a muslima without being a muslim yourself. There are reasons that muslims are disliked in many other cultures.


I know a lot of people are this way. Not all - some of us don't feel threatened by differences, aren't tribalistic and revel in a "vive la difference" (or variety is the spice of life in English) frame of mind. I would die of boredom and despair surrounded by people identical to me. It's if you want my "special interest" to get a glimpse into the mind of people as different personality and experience-wise as possible. It keeps me alive and my mind open :)


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12 Feb 2020, 3:13 pm

I'm Jewish Israeli and I have muslim friends. I think that the most dangerous thing is lumping ethnicities, religions and nations together and tarring them with the same brush. Granted, events, wars and terrorism leave their marks of suspicion and prejudice, but each man should be judged by his own merit and as we say in hebrew: " Each man judges others by his own flaws."


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12 Feb 2020, 3:24 pm

Teach51 wrote:
" Each man judges others by his own flaws."


Haven't' heard this one, so true!


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12 Feb 2020, 3:28 pm

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12 Feb 2020, 4:13 pm

BenderRodriguez wrote:
Teach51 wrote:
" Each man judges others by his own flaws."


Haven't' heard this one, so true!


"כל הפוסל במומו פוסל"

Yes, I always look for the same flaw in myself when I criticize someones' behaviour.


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12 Feb 2020, 4:16 pm

Teach51 wrote:
BenderRodriguez wrote:
Teach51 wrote:
" Each man judges others by his own flaws."


Haven't' heard this one, so true!


"כל הפוסל במומו פוסל"

Yes, I always look for the same flaw in myself when I criticize someones' behaviour.


Thank you.

I often noticed this along the years with parents and children: they way some parents cannot control their hatred when seeing their own flaws in their kids :(


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12 Feb 2020, 4:21 pm

Yes that's really true.


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14 Feb 2020, 1:02 am

Teach51 wrote:
BenderRodriguez wrote:
Teach51 wrote:
" Each man judges others by his own flaws."


Haven't' heard this one, so true!


"כל הפוסל במומו פוסל"

Yes, I always look for the same flaw in myself when I criticize someones' behaviour.



Interesting! In my program of recovery we say, "if you spot it, you got it." It's true.

To the OP, I'm sorry this was your experience. Anyone who isn't bothering another deserves to be treated equally, with respect. I always think it's so odd that people pay attention to what someone else is doing at a table, across the room. They should be eating and talking to whomever they are eating with.


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14 Feb 2020, 1:30 am

many humans are barely restrained from atavistic behavior, and often act just like barking dogs. with this in mind, it is easier to not be disappointed in them, and makes one much more appreciative of the relatively few decent people one encounters by chance. or to paraphrase henry kissinger, "90% of them give the other 10% a bad rep." we live in a country where one-third would kill off another third, while the remaining third sits back and watches.