My parents say don't work until corona is over.

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03 Apr 2020, 9:55 pm

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Well, it's just that we can't keep hiding from the virus forever, and it keeps getting worse and worse, and it's not going away. Eventually we are going to have to go back out and go back to work and we will all get the virus soon enough. Some of his may live, some may die, but we are all going to have to go back into the real world, and get the virus, and just accept it, won't we? Am I being realistic, or am I looking at it the wrong way? Because allowing the economy to completely collapse is worse than getting the virus itself, so I figure we might as settle for the lesser of two evils.

The only way to escape the virus is to leave the planet. And since we cannot do that, we are going to get it some point and probably soon, so why deny it?


Yes you are right. By not going out and mixing for months, we are not building an immunity to OTHER existing viruses because we won't be coming into contact with them, so millions of people are going to die in the future from flu and noroviruses that are lurking out there.

And anyway, maybe this is nature's way of getting us humans back for destroying the planet. I think everything should just carry on as normal, and if you get it you get it. They'll soon find a vaccine for it, may take a year but they will.
Anyway, about a million people have died from coronavirus worldwide. What is a million, compared to over 7 billion people altogether? Even 3 or 4 million is not going to even scratch the surface of the huge population on this planet. Even the black death didn't kill everyone.

As humans we need money to live, and if you don't have money then you can't live. The world recession is going to affect a lot more people than this coronavirus ever will.


So are you saying I should take the job therefore, since not taking one is going to be worse than possibly getting the virus?


No, I was just agreeing with what you wrote. But because everyone is under strict instructions right now and are worried, I would tell the employer that you are self-isolating or whatever, to save your parents the concern for their health.


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04 Apr 2020, 7:39 am

Are your parents in a risk group of some kind? If they are, especially if it's the kind that weakens their lungs, you taking the job and living under the same roof with them might be too big of a risk.

But the question is, do you need to live under the same roof with them? Would you be able to move out, at least temporarily? Rent a small place until this is over or live with a friend or another relative, preferably one that also has to leave the house for work. Do you think this'd be possible?



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04 Apr 2020, 7:46 am

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Well, it's just that we can't keep hiding from the virus forever, and it keeps getting worse and worse, and it's not going away. Eventually we are going to have to go back out and go back to work and we will all get the virus soon enough. Some of his may live, some may die, but we are all going to have to go back into the real world, and get the virus, and just accept it, won't we? Am I being realistic, or am I looking at it the wrong way? Because allowing the economy to completely collapse is worse than getting the virus itself, so I figure we might as settle for the lesser of two evils.

The only way to escape the virus is to leave the planet. And since we cannot do that, we are going to get it some point and probably soon, so why deny it?



No. That's really not how this all works kid.

Please do some more research.



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04 Apr 2020, 12:31 pm

Well it's just we have accepted all these other diseases like strepthroat, chickenpox, flues, HIV, etc. We don't let those destroy the economy, so why can't we accept this one the same way?



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04 Apr 2020, 2:05 pm

This is a novel Coronavirus. That means it's new to humans and we have no immunity to it yet. We have vaccines for the things you mentioned, apart from strep throat. There's no vaccine for Covid-19.

If we don't isolate now, Covid-19 will spread more quickly. If we don't isolate we could accidentally pass it on to vulnerable people, even though we may be able to cope with it ourselves without requiring hospitalisation. The responsible thing is to care for the vulnerable amongst us.

It's so new that we don't know what the side effects will be. It's not the same as having a few chickenpox scars. Evidence suggests that people's lungs are being damaged.

https://www.dw.com/en/covid-19-recovered-patients-have-partially-reduced-lung-function/a-52859671

Here's an interesting article about how it develops into pneumonia in certain cases and why that is difficult to treat.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/03/coronavirus-what-happens-to-peoples-lungs-acute-respiratory-when-they-get-covid-19


In the UK in the 80s and the "beware of AIDS" information was shocking. People were terrified.



People weren't isolated because you couldn't contract it by accidentally sneezing on your workmate or transferring the virus to your nose after touching something that a carrier had handled after touching their mouth.



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04 Apr 2020, 2:26 pm

Well if you live with your parents its not just whether you get the virus or not you have to be concerned with. It could put them in jeopardy since they are older(though younger people have died from it to). In normal circumstances I would say do what you want even if they don't like it but this could actually put them at risk and if they aren't willing to take that kind of risk its not right to force it.

There will be jobs once this is all over, if its a warehouse/manufacturing job than its extremely unlikely you won't get any other comparable opportunities.


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10 Apr 2020, 11:09 am

Are you going to be working within 2 meters of someone at this warehouse? Or is it a job where you got your own space in a large warehouse? If you got your own space then I'd say take the job, otherwise don't.



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10 Apr 2020, 1:05 pm

Can you quarantine yourself from your parents. This is what many healthcare workers are doing. Living under the same roof but isolated from family. They have no other choice. Their work saves lives. But they need to keep their families safe.



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11 Apr 2020, 7:03 pm

How some value numbers over potential eternal death is something I'll never understand.



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12 Apr 2020, 2:41 pm

It would depend on how risky the job environment is. Even 2m distancing isn’t good enough according to some models that show aerosolized particles can travel quite far and hover in the air for a few hours. It’d be low-ish risk if you’re working solo all the time, not so low if you have to work near others.

Then there’s your parents’ comfort level. They’ve expressed what it is already.

And it’s not like you Need the money.

I work in construction where it’s impossible to do all of the distancing measures all of the time, there’s almost never running water or soap, and port-o-potty alcohol hand gel often runs out before it’s replenished. Personally it’s too risky for Me to want to go to work rn because I rent from my parents and my dad is especially considered high risk. I’ve told him he’s not to be working rn either - he’s damned near retirement anyways, in his last year of full time work, and doesn’t technically need the monthly income to survive rn anyways so may as well wait it out. I’m chillin’ on EI with storage insurance on my car for the moment until it’s safeR to return to work. But for right now large construction sites are C-19 incubators - but they’re still open for business as usual and are exempt from the 50 person limit :roll: because $$ and construction workers are disposable.

I also think you think too lowly of your employable skills and abilities and that it won’t be difficult to get this or some other shipping/receiving job at similar pay again in the future. That tends to be the way with us aspire. I’ve achieved things that in hindsight were actually quite difficult for anyone, but in the moment my attitude was, “Meh, it’s no big deal at all. Literally anyone could do that if they showed up and tried.” (Example: Completing 130.5 credits in 2 years and graduating from business school at age 19.) Over the years I’ve learned that’s not the case and I’m actually better at some things than most people and many people couldn’t ever do what I have. I think part of what makes you want to accept this offer Now is your lack of self confidence in being able to get yourself a similar or higher paying job offer again in the future and you need to change your thinking about that.


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