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07 May 2020, 8:21 pm

Your heart emojis say it all. :heart:
You are loved and we are so glad to be here for you. :heart:


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07 May 2020, 11:42 pm

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08 May 2020, 4:07 am

Didn’t know how to respond last night, and still don’t: sounds like a very emotionally complex and contradictory time/event.
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08 May 2020, 4:13 am

Blazingstar my deepest sympathies, may you know no more sorrow. :heart:


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08 May 2020, 7:19 am

Thank you all from the bottom of my heart. I don't know anywhere else I could get such warm and accepting and wise responses.

Fnord and Bender, I have felt a resonance in our family histories and that is comforting to know that I am not the only one. When it came up earlier in my life, I would say I hated my father and people would tell me, "No, you don't." As if they knew. Or they would said, "In order to get on with your life, you have to reconcile with him." Yeah, right. They don't know the sneaky bastard. I actually did try to reconcile with him when I was in my 20s. Just re-established a superficial but pleasant relationship. Then I realized he really is a bastard. I wasn't imagining it. I wasn't some screwed up kid who couldn't see things clearly. So at that point, I worked out that I don't hold him responsible for my life condition, now that I am an adult, and I just let him go. People don't understand you can do that, so eventually I just told people both my parents had passed away.
Now, that will be the truth. :D

I also realized that I needn't have worried about a last minute request for forgiveness, because he had also let me go, many, many years ago. I remember years ago, one of my sibs told me that he had been in therapy and the therapist told him to let me go, and get on with his life, and that is what he did. I don't think I even existed for him anymore. It is amazing what therapy can do for a person. (sarcasm)

The last time all five of us sibs got together was my mother's funeral some 25 years ago. It looks as if my remaining sibs (one sister died during hurricane Irma) will get together without me. And that hurts. There is no rational reason for this. I don't get along with the other brother or my remaining sister who has many good qualities, but truth and trust are not among them. That just leaves the one brother I do communicate with and visit every couple of years. He has a limited ability to handle feelings, but to my amazement, actually seems to be a pretty good guy. So, no rational reason for the hurt. I don't want to go to the west coast to see these people. I think it is just the old, I'm getting left out again, BS. I'll get over it.

To everyone who made the presence of conflicting feelings being "okay," thank you. I am pretty sure I thought there was something "bad" about it.

To everyone who sent hearts and prayers and good thoughts, thank you. I know I got them because I feel so much better this morning.

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08 May 2020, 8:42 am

It is difficult to know what to say, especially in the difficult circumstances. Appropiate words don't come in my vocabulary, so I will just send a hug (Virtually as I am not there etc).

But I do hope all settles and everything goes well for your futures.

I apologize for not writing a reply before but I tried to several times and could not think of words and that was when you first announced it.


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08 May 2020, 9:46 am

My condolences on you family’s loss, Blazingstar. You may feel numb for a while when a family member dies that you are not close with. That is natural to do so.



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08 May 2020, 11:37 am

blazingstar wrote:
My brother emailed me to let me know that our father passed away yesterday. Although my siblings maintained relationships with him, I have had nothing to do with him for probably 40 years or so.

I have to admit my first thought was "The bastard finally died." I don't need to go into the details, but I am glad I don't have some possible interaction hanging over my head anymore. I knew he was failing and was fearing a last minute request for some kind of reconciliation, which I did not want but would have felt like a jerk denying the last wish of a dying man. Thank God that did not happen.

At the same time, I am feeling sad today. I think it is sadness over the loss of a father, just any father, not him. And also the loss of never having had a family that was like a regular family. I cannot remember a single good interaction with him, or a single thing good about him. That is also sad.

My brother wrote, "this chapter is ended."

Amen.


I am genuinely sorry to hear about your loss. My own father killed himself about two months ago. I had very few good interactions with him, but there is still a feeling of loss for what never got to be experienced. Hopefully we can both find some measure of self-discovery from these experiences.



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08 May 2020, 4:00 pm

HighLlama wrote:
blazingstar wrote:
My brother emailed me to let me know that our father passed away yesterday. Although my siblings maintained relationships with him, I have had nothing to do with him for probably 40 years or so.

I have to admit my first thought was "The bastard finally died." I don't need to go into the details, but I am glad I don't have some possible interaction hanging over my head anymore. I knew he was failing and was fearing a last minute request for some kind of reconciliation, which I did not want but would have felt like a jerk denying the last wish of a dying man. Thank God that did not happen.

At the same time, I am feeling sad today. I think it is sadness over the loss of a father, just any father, not him. And also the loss of never having had a family that was like a regular family. I cannot remember a single good interaction with him, or a single thing good about him. That is also sad.

My brother wrote, "this chapter is ended."

Amen.


I am genuinely sorry to hear about your loss. My own father killed himself about two months ago. I had very few good interactions with him, but there is still a feeling of loss for what never got to be experienced. Hopefully we can both find some measure of self-discovery from these experiences.


I am sorry for your loss as well. Suicide is even more difficult to process than a natural death. I appreciate what you said about the loss for "what never got to be experienced." I was not expecting that but it happened anyway. Also "some measure of self-discovery" seems to be a wonderful way to express the more mundane that we will learn from this.

MG: I never know what to say, either, when attempting to comfort someone experiencing grief of any kind. I think perhaps the most important thing is just to "be there" for the other person, hugs, listening and saying I hear you. You did just fine. As did everyone else who responded.

I cannot say how much I appreciate you all.
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08 May 2020, 10:37 pm

Sorry to hear what you're going through, I'm going through a similar issue at the moment.



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09 May 2020, 4:13 pm

^ I'm sorry you are going through some tough times. Take good care of yourself in the process.

I am back on my feet. I appreciate all the help. It certainly makes processing the feelings more illuminating.

Blessings to all of you.


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09 May 2020, 5:13 pm

{{{{{Blazingstar}}}}} From someone who has experienced the same.



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10 May 2020, 8:19 am

Condolences to blazingstar, Aprilviolets and HighLlama. Sorry I got to this thread so late.

I was not estranged from my father but when he died, quite old, I comforted myself that he had had a full life and would not feel any more pain. But more personally, I felt like I was an orphan (though fully adult) and now "the older generation." It was long before coronavirus and we did get together for a delayed memorial service, which was beneficial.


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10 May 2020, 11:24 am

Thank you, Bea :)



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11 May 2020, 1:08 pm

I am sorry to hear the terrible news, you have my condolences.


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11 May 2020, 5:52 pm

My sympathies on your horribly ambiguous family situation. I think you're right to be glad about skipping the whole reconciliation / emotional blackmail scene. One of my friends got hit with that, with the result that she had to spend weeks watching the death from cancer of the father she (quite justifiably) hated. He certainly wasn't doing her any favours- she was a mess for months after that.


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