Not Enjoying Living (Trigger Warning: Suicide)

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18 Sep 2020, 1:19 pm

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If it's not abundantly clear to you that there is no solution here that doesn't involve me getting a girlfriend at some point, don't comment here, because you're not helping, and by suggesting or implying scenarios where I don't get a girlfriend and everything is supposedly ok, all you're achieving is irritating me. You have no idea how much this matters to me.
I'm sorry for irritating you, Grand Inquisitor. It definitely was not my intention. Good luck to you in finding that which you seek.

Oh no, you didn't irritate me. Had you kept pushing after I explained my position then you would have, but your comment was a fair suggestion given the information I'd provided up until then.

The comment above my last one was the one that irritated me, and any further comments that try to offer a solution without me being able to get a girlfriend are going to irritate me now that I've clarified my position.

Sorry for not being clear. It's 4am here and I've been up all night, so my brain's a bit tired.



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18 Sep 2020, 1:24 pm

I'd also just like to say to the mods, I wouldn't be surprised if things get a bit heated here, and if it's necessary to remove replies at some point then fair enough, but if this whole thread gets locked or removed, I'm going to leave this website and not come back.

That probably wouldn't be much of a loss for anybody, but just putting it out there.



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18 Sep 2020, 1:27 pm

Sorry you're not sleeping, hadn't noticed you're in Australia. So what's Saturday like? I'm still in Friday...

So how long are you going to give yourself to get into a relationship? 25? 30? And what if you give it until 25, but you would have met someone when you were 26?



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18 Sep 2020, 1:45 pm

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Sorry you're not sleeping, hadn't noticed you're in Australia. So what's Saturday like? I'm still in Friday...

So how long are you going to give yourself to get into a relationship? 25? 30? And what if you give it until 25, but you would have met someone when you were 26?

I had an afternoon sleep and it's my choice to be up at the moment, but I'm starting to get tired so I'll probably go to sleep pretty soon.

In terms of how long I'm going to give myself, I have an age in mind where I'll be 100% done, but I'm not disclosing it. At this rate, I might be fed up before then though.

A lot of it's also going to depend on how much progress I'm making towards my first relationship. At the moment, I feel no closer to getting my first relationship than when I was like 14 or whatever and as such I have very little hope, but if some encouraging signs of progress show up (like women actually showing an interest in me or whatever), that'll give me more hope, which will in turn give me more patience to stick it out a bit longer.

Even after I get my first relationship, I'm still going to struggle with the fact that it took so much longer than it should have to happen. Past the age I’ve nominated, I think even getting a relationship at that point wouldn't be enough. It'd be too late for me to be able to come to terms with not having been able to date prior to then.



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18 Sep 2020, 2:41 pm

^You’re a young man of 24. If you get into a decent relationship at age 25, you would have done better than most people.

If you find your life partner, who cares “how long it took?” How many 25-year-olds can say they have found their life partner?

I hope you find a nice woman soon.



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18 Sep 2020, 4:50 pm

I am sorry you are struggling, my friend. I felt the same way at the age you are now and I don’t know how I’ve made it years past that. Do you think what COVID has done to the world is making your brain dig deeper into itself with all the lockdowns? It’s certainly doing that to me.



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18 Sep 2020, 5:47 pm

I’m sorry you’re struggling too, my friend.

But you’re a smart guy, and would be a fine partner for a woman.



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18 Sep 2020, 6:04 pm

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^You’re a young man of 24. If you get into a decent relationship at age 25, you would have done better than most people.

If you find your life partner, who cares “how long it took?” How many 25-year-olds can say they have found their life partner?

I hope you find a nice woman soon.

Thanks KK.

This isn't necessarily about finding my forever life partner right now. In fact like I said, I think my first relationship is destined to fail anyway as I'd be bothered by the fact that they've had romantic and sexual experiences with other people and I would only ever have been with them.

But like I said, there are two primary reasons I want a relationship. One is because I want to feel desirable to someone I'm attracted to (how could I possibly feel desirable right now?), and two is because I want to experience what it's like to be in love, and of course I want these experiences while I'm young. I don’t care so much if I don’t meet the person I want to spend the rest of my life with for a fair while yet, but to have nothing in terms of real-life romantic and sexual experience is making me feel undesirable, lonely, alienated from my peers, unbelievably frustrated, bitter, depressed, embarrassed, dejected and worthless. It pervasively interferes with my ability to care about other things in my life while this problem still lingers, gives me SO MANY things to be triggered by, sucks the joy out of pretty much everything in my life and leaves me wondering why I still get out of bed in the morning and make an effort to function in society when I'm not getting what I need to not only be content, but to have the will to live.

You'd have to be a lot tougher than I am to go through 12 years of an extremely intense desire to get a girlfriend without ever having achieved that feat, and emerge from that without an obliterated self-esteem and shattered hope.

And yeah, it does matter how long it takes, because I really want to date while I'm still young, and the more time that's passing that I’ve been "forever alone" the more intense my depression gets, the further behind I am from my peers in terms of experience, the more bitter I'm getting about my lack of dating experience and the less hope I have that anything's ever actually going to change.



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18 Sep 2020, 6:22 pm

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I am sorry you are struggling, my friend. I felt the same way at the age you are now and I don’t know how I’ve made it years past that. Do you think what COVID has done to the world is making your brain dig deeper into itself with all the lockdowns? It’s certainly doing that to me.

Thanks Marknis.

I'm fortunate in that COVID isn't a huge problem in my state. There are only 4 cases left in my city, and that number is on the decline, so I don't feel I have much to worry about in that respect. We don't have too many restrictions over here, so I don't think COVID is making one iota of difference with regard to my dating life.

What's really done it for me is realising that I don’t have as much control over my dating life as I thought I did. I'd convinced myself that if I did x, y and z that I'd be able to get a girlfriend, and my situation was all my fault for not doing these things. But I lost a lot of weight and I even moved into my own unit and things are absolutely no different than before regarding my love life.

It's also that I'm getting older and things still aren't changing and I don't have the means to even meet new women my age. But even if I did, I know they probably wouldn't be interested in me, certainly if they had all the facts.

Nobody would read my OP and say "yeah, I still wanna
date that guy" even if they were initially interested, but I can't help where I'm at emotionally with all this. It just feels like a situation with no way out and I am SO TIRED of having to deal with it. Like, it's taking a toll on basically every facet of my life, I can't stop thinking about it and I feel powerless to do anything about it. And like I said, this isn't even my only problem.



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18 Sep 2020, 6:51 pm

(((TGI)))

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18 Sep 2020, 7:00 pm

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I've been quite depressed lately to the point that I've been researching suicide methods.

I just honestly don't see my problems improving, and I'm not getting a sufficient quality of life while they're persisting. All I'm concerned about is making it so that I don't have to deal with these problems anymore, and my preference would be to solve them, but if I can't solve them, then I just don't want to live.

I'm not enjoying much about my life, and what little enjoyment I am getting is overshadowed by all the emotional torment I'm experiencing. I have nothing to look forward to, overall I'm not happy with my job, I have nothing to do and nowhere to go most of the time, but honestly I'm not motivated to do anything or go anywhere anyway.

Anyone who's familiar with my posts probably already knows where this is going - the girlfriend thing.

I'm 24 now, and I've wanted to experience romantic love with a burning passion since I was 12 years old. That's 12 years (or half my life) that has been spent with an extremely intense desire going unmet, and to add insult to injury, I can't escape exposure to or reminders of the fact that other people can get relationships and I can't.

I can't escape them on TV, the internet or in real life. There are just so many things that can trigger me that it's beyond a joke. Seeing couples in public, seeing posts online about people in relationships, even when family members want hugs I'm reminded of the fact that I'm not getting the hugs I truly want, and seeing or hearing about people dating that are younger than me triggers the absolute f*** out of me.

And even in the absence of reminders, I'm thinking of relationships and my perpetual inability to get one every day, and I'm just so tired of having this problem, I honestly can't overstate how fed up I am with it, but I don't see it changing and I'm never going to have any sort of contentment or peace of mind until it does.

The other day, I was reflecting on the question of why I want a relationship, and while there are probably about a dozen reasons, there were two that stuck out as easily the most important, but they're also pretty shallow. The first is that I want to feel desirable to someone I'm attracted to, and the second is that I want to experience what pretty much everyone else has experienced - what it's like to have a reciprocated infatuation with someone, what it's like to be in love, and all of the experiences that come with that.

I'm not meeting any women my age at the moment, but even if I was, who's going to want a suicidal, romantically inexperienced loser whose primary motivations for wanting a relationship are what I described above? Even if somebody was interested in me despite all of that, am I going to be interested in them?

Even if I got a relationship, it would be doomed to fail, because I'd be bothered by the fact that my partner had had previous romantic and sexual experience with other people while my only romantic and sexual experience was with them. And even if I got a relationship and that wasn't a problem, I'm never going to get over the fact that it took me until my mid 20s or later to have my first relationship. I might as well carve the word loser on my forehead because it's etched into my identity now and I'll never be able to make peace with my history. It'll never not be a sensitive subject, and I'm just not sure if it's even worth my while trying to get a relationship and all the rest of it when the damage might already be done, and even if it's not, my chances of getting a relationship seem ridiculously slim, and I have no patience or hope left.

This is only one out of two of the major issues that are making me contemplate suicide, but the other is so sensitive that I'm not sharing it publicly.

So to sum up, I'm overwhelmed with it all, I'm enjoying practically nothing about my life due to the issues I've described above overshadowing everything, my patience has run dry as it relates to trying to get a relationship, so if nothing changes soon, I'm going to do something drastic, and not only am I sick of experiencing the issues themselves, I'm sick of even having to think about them, but I also can't stop thinking about them until they're solved.

I know that nobody's going to have a magical answer for me, and the worst outcome is likely going to be how things turn out, but I'm really struggling and I don't know where else to turn.


I am 34 and I can relate. The gf/love thing is really disturbing to think about - the difference between people who are able to have relationships vs people with AS who cannot. The not so fun thing is that in a relationship I would be confused, disturbed, burdened, bored, excited, and would make my gf unhappy.

I would say that gf and love are not something you can control. And it may be not something you were born able to have.

While wheelchair disabled person know they cannot walk, us AS men may look like we can have gf and love, when in practice we cannot and our disability is thus not visible unless you see us try and fail.

I did know a guy who suicided because he could not have intimacy, gf or love. He wrote a book about it actually and it used to be on Amazon even. He would visit escorts and strippers as a replaced, but ultimately made him feel worse I believe.

Try to make the best of your life without a gf or love..

On the other hand, it is not like you have put effort into becoming happy, better dressed, better looking, better employed, and more attractive guy.. not saying putting effort would give you love or a gf, but if you dress up, work out, study, try to be employed better, work harder, do therapy to be happier and more in demand by women, that would increase your chances.. and actually, if you figure out how to do all of the above, you may attract a woman who will like you enough to be your gf and feel love for you?.. who knows. may I ask, why do you care so much?

I knew a clearly AS man who was 40, who started getting dressed better and his dating life picked up.. it was not a normal dating life, but he had sex once or twice and one woman was nice to him.. so my point is that while you clearly cannot have the dating life of a neurotypical man no matter how hard you try, you can experience having a gf and love partially if you put effort into all of the above. I know from experience.. when I was doing the above, I got opportunities, but when I stopped, the opportunities stopped. If you want to PM me with some pointers, I can guide you through what I have learned. I did not get a gf or love, but I went from nothing to a few opportunities I mean..



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18 Sep 2020, 7:35 pm

^ TGI did try, he lost 40 pounds, which is no small feat.

He also asked not to hear about success stories, and I believe his request should be honored.


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18 Sep 2020, 7:45 pm

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^ TGI did try, he lost 40 pounds, which is no small feat.

He also asked not to hear about success stories, and I believe his request should be honored.

40kg actually. So almost 90 pounds.

And thanks Blazingstar



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19 Sep 2020, 1:44 am

The Grand Inquisitor wrote:
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^ TGI did try, he lost 40 pounds, which is no small feat.

He also asked not to hear about success stories, and I believe his request should be honored.

40kg actually. So almost 90 pounds.

And thanks Blazingstar


OK.. so if getting a gf is your goal, and you are determined to get a gf, what kind of girlfriend would you want? tall? short? skinny or fat or in the middle? small/medium/big breasts? as for personality, do you want a tomboy or a girly girl? a social butterfly or a shy nerd? do you want one who is into career or do you want who would rather be a stay at home wife? do you want one who likes outdoors activities or one who prefers to sit on the couch and watch tv? give us some pointers what kind of women you would want to have a relationship with and maybe we can give you pointers where to look?



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19 Sep 2020, 2:52 am

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^ TGI did try, he lost 40 pounds, which is no small feat.

He also asked not to hear about success stories, and I believe his request should be honored.

40kg actually. So almost 90 pounds.

And thanks Blazingstar


OK.. so if getting a gf is your goal, and you are determined to get a gf, what kind of girlfriend would you want? tall? short? skinny or fat or in the middle? small/medium/big breasts? as for personality, do you want a tomboy or a girly girl? a social butterfly or a shy nerd? do you want one who is into career or do you want who would rather be a stay at home wife? do you want one who likes outdoors activities or one who prefers to sit on the couch and watch tv? give us some pointers what kind of women you would want to have a relationship with and maybe we can give you pointers where to look?

Tall/Short? - Don't care

Skinny/Fat/Middle? - Probably skinny or middle, but as long as they're not much bigger than I am, that's probably fine (I'm currently just slightly heavier than the top end of my "healthy weight" range BMI for my measurements.

Small/Medium/Big Breasts? - Don't care

Tomboy/Girly Girl? - Not sure whether that'd matter to me too much, but my instinct says more on the girly girl side

Social Butterfly/Shy Nerd? - I probably wouldn't want somebody who's always out with friends and has no time for me, so probably not somebody that's too extroverted. Anywhere from fairly introverted to mildly or maybe even moderately extroverted would probably be fine.

Career/Stay-At-Home? - I wouldn't want somebody who's non-stop working, but at least while no kids are involved, I'd want somebody who could carry their own weight and contribute to household expenses. I'd want somebody who is responsible with money and sees the value in saving, because that's how I am. If we decided to have kids though, I'd prefer that they be the stay-at-home parent rather than me.

Outdoors/Indoorsy? - Probably more on the indoorsy side, because that's how I am. It's ok if they're a bit more outdoorsy than me though.



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19 Sep 2020, 5:35 am

The Grand Inquisitor wrote:
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^ TGI did try, he lost 40 pounds, which is no small feat.

He also asked not to hear about success stories, and I believe his request should be honored.

40kg actually. So almost 90 pounds.

And thanks Blazingstar


Sorry about the getting the units wrong...90 pounds/40kg is outstanding! Given you had the strength to set such an amazing goal and reach it tells me you could do anything you set your mind to.


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