So I admitted that I don't like children

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24 Apr 2021, 9:54 am

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Retro, I had a very difficult time when my son told me he was abandoning his wife and newborn son. This was a major separation, leaving them behind in Sweden, with him moving back to the US. I was shocked and quite ready to chastise him greatly.

I spoke to two knowledgeable professionals whom I trust. Both told me that an infant is not necessarily harmed by the father’s absence during the first year or so.

It is not unusual for fathers to lack the immediate connection that most mothers feel. It may come later for you, or it may not. You may want or not want therapy. In past posts it has seemed to me this child’s mother places unreasonable demands on you.

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Why did he move back to the US?


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24 Apr 2021, 1:07 pm

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She's going to see a psychologist about her postnatal depression. Maybe I should see one too. I'm not sure I'll get a high score on the K10 test because at the moment I'm not feeling very depressed about other things, only parenting.

I'm just so mad at her friend. When I tried to encourage her to see a psychologist for her mental illness, her bogan friend acted like I was trying to insult her for saying she may have a mental illness rather than trying to encourage her to get help. Then he tried to insult me by saying I have a mental ilness. My opinion of him went down a few pegs because I feel like him using mental illness as an insult is just stigmatising people who suffer from that.

Glad to hear that and at least they could rule it out for you if you don't score highly. It may well just be the fact that you haven't had a proper chance to bond yet, specially with all the other stress. I'd be unimpressed with that friend too, there's no need for comments like that.


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24 Apr 2021, 2:00 pm

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She's going to see a psychologist about her postnatal depression. Maybe I should see one too. I'm not sure I'll get a high score on the K10 test because at the moment I'm not feeling very depressed about other things, only parenting.

I'm just so mad at her friend. When I tried to encourage her to see a psychologist for her mental illness, her bogan friend acted like I was trying to insult her for saying she may have a mental illness rather than trying to encourage her to get help. Then he tried to insult me by saying I have a mental ilness. My opinion of him went down a few pegs because I feel like him using mental illness as an insult is just stigmatising people who suffer from that.

Glad to hear that and at least they could rule it out for you if you don't score highly. It may well just be the fact that you haven't had a proper chance to bond yet, specially with all the other stress. I'd be unimpressed with that friend too, there's no need for comments like that.

Last time when a family member tried to use my history of mental illness as an insult, I just recommended my doc to him. He never did it again.

On topic - I know quite a lot of men who don't like their children when they're infants and slowly grow fond of them years later. I think it's normal, even if not really current social expectation.


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24 Apr 2021, 3:15 pm

I love dogs, but dislike children. It's... perfectly OK to not like children? You're not a horrible person because of it. That's just what society thinks.


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24 Apr 2021, 7:26 pm

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Retro, I had a very difficult time when my son told me he was abandoning his wife and newborn son. This was a major separation, leaving them behind in Sweden, with him moving back to the US. I was shocked and quite ready to chastise him greatly.

I spoke to two knowledgeable professionals whom I trust. Both told me that an infant is not necessarily harmed by the father’s absence during the first year or so.

It is not unusual for fathers to lack the immediate connection that most mothers feel. It may come later for you, or it may not. You may want or not want therapy. In past posts it has seemed to me this child’s mother places unreasonable demands on you.

Take care.

(((Retro)))

Why did he move back to the US?


He never wanted children. I think he did not love her anymore. He didn't like Sweden.

My grandson is now 11 years old. I am pretty sure my son resolved most of his issues with not wanting and not loving his son by age 5. My son has been an important part of my grandson's life despite the great differences. My grandson is an international traveler, flying between Stockholm and LA several times per year, and regular zooming in between times.

It's not what I would have chosen for any of them, but life is rarely what we choose. We can only deal with it as best we can.

You cannot force love. But it may come in time.


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24 Apr 2021, 7:57 pm

Retro I know it's hard to put time in perspective when you have a baby. I just want to remind you that your daughter won't be a baby or even a child forever. She's a person even though it's hard to see that right now. Assuming she lives a long life she will only be a child for a few years and a small percentage of her life. She'll be a baby for even less than that. Before you know it she will be a distinct individual with likes and interests of her own, a fully-formed personality, and all the characteristics you'd associate with young adults. I know it seems like a lifetime away but once it starts happening, you won't even remember the baby years. There's also a very good chance she will be on the spectrum, according to genetics. You may be able to bond with her in ways you can't envision right now. Perhaps you'll have mutual special interests or you can develop some together. Maybe you'll be empathetic about each other's sensory needs and understand each other on that level, even more than Jane can relate to her. Maybe you will excel at parenting with some of your positive autistic traits, like your need for order or routine or whatever makes you tick (sorry I don't know your particulars).

I hope you can get Jane to understand that right now, sensory overload is a real problem for you and it's not your strong suit to deal with bodily fluids. It seems you don't like snot, breast milk, etc. (lol) - but that's a valid issue since you are autistic. Of course it's important to be a bit flexible and adapt, but I also think that most of your issues with parenting are because you aren't "allowed" to be autistic in your relationship with Jane. It's "being forced to act neurotypical" and "being forced to deny your autism" that seems to be the problem here, more so than whether or not you care about your baby. On top of the autism issues you have an overbearing partner who won't let you try things your own way, to get comfortable. Something has to give. Either she lets you spend time alone with the baby, learning what feels right for you - or she needs to accept that when you do things her way you will go into shutdown and not want to engage.


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24 Apr 2021, 8:29 pm

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Retro I know it's hard to put time in perspective when you have a baby. I just want to remind you that your daughter won't be a baby or even a child forever. She's a person even though it's hard to see that right now. Assuming she lives a long life she will only be a child for a few years and a small percentage of her life. She'll be a baby for even less than that. Before you know it she will be a distinct individual with likes and interests of her own, a fully-formed personality, and all the characteristics you'd associate with young adults. I know it seems like a lifetime away but once it starts happening, you won't even remember the baby years. There's also a very good chance she will be on the spectrum, according to genetics. You may be able to bond with her in ways you can't envision right now. Perhaps you'll have mutual special interests or you can develop some together. Maybe you'll be empathetic about each other's sensory needs and understand each other on that level, even more than Jane can relate to her. Maybe you will excel at parenting with some of your positive autistic traits, like your need for order or routine or whatever makes you tick (sorry I don't know your particulars).

I hope you can get Jane to understand that right now, sensory overload is a real problem for you and it's not your strong suit to deal with bodily fluids. It seems you don't like snot, breast milk, etc. (lol) - but that's a valid issue since you are autistic. Of course it's important to be a bit flexible and adapt, but I also think that most of your issues with parenting are because you aren't "allowed" to be autistic in your relationship with Jane. It's "being forced to act neurotypical" and "being forced to deny your autism" that seems to be the problem here, more so than whether or not you care about your baby. On top of the autism issues you have an overbearing partner who won't let you try things your own way, to get comfortable. Something has to give. Either she lets you spend time alone with the baby, learning what feels right for you - or she needs to accept that when you do things her way you will go into shutdown and not want to engage.


Excellent points. I am wondering if Retro and his wife would benefit from couples therapy as his wife could learn how to be more flexible about Retro's phobias if she hears it from a impartial third party?



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25 Apr 2021, 5:10 am

My husband had awful sensory issues with diapers and other baby stuff. He also didn't really relate to babies and small children.
Parenting is a struggle for both of us for a lot of reasons. A big relief happened when the younger one turned 4 and we could have meaningful verbal communication with her, including setting some rules. Now our kids are 8 and 9 and my husband got quite creative in helping them learn Math :)

We needed professional help at some point - in our case, our relationship was healthier than any of us separately but I got completely insane and he developed problems, too. My therapist called it "having children is a war for you".
An important lesson I learned about functioning within our family was - being comfortably ourselves at home and defining boundaries acceptable for everyone - managing conflicting needs of various family members turned out almost a full-time job. If we had to additionally mask our autistic traits, it would certainly blow up in a much worse form.


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25 Apr 2021, 7:00 am

How’s everything, Retro?