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The_Znof
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09 Dec 2021, 5:21 pm

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agriculture, when practiced longterm, is and has always been a disease. agriculture DOES NOT mean "growing food". agriculture refers to a very specific method of cultivation based on constantly fighting against ecological succession to maintain fields of primary succession species generally in very low diversity and only for the use of human consumption. agriculture is a war against life, and it is less productive than diverse multi-layered perennial food systems, which can obviously be cultivated. there are many other forms of cultivation besides agriculture. the only time that agriculture is valid is when it is used temporarily as a kickstart for landscapes that have been damaged severely by natural disasters, as a way to kickstart ecological succession through intentional ground covering with a field of primary succession species. but then it has to go on with ecological succession, you have to continue cultivating further succession, or else it only damages the land and eventually turns it into a desert, just like longterm agriculture has been doing for thousands of years. you can literally see the vast scars across continents, when looking at satellite images, from agriculture spreading around the world.



ha, now God's problem with Cain finally makes sense.

2 And she again bare his brother Abel. And Abel was a keeper of sheep, but Cain was a tiller of the ground.

3 And in process of time it came to pass, that Cain brought of the fruit of the ground an offering unto the Lord.

4 And Abel, he also brought of the firstlings of his flock and of the fat thereof. And the Lord had respect unto Abel and to his offering:

5 But unto Cain and to his offering he had not respect. And Cain was very wroth, and his countenance fell.



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09 Dec 2021, 9:30 pm

The_Znof wrote:
ha, now God's problem with Cain finally makes sense.

2 And she again bare his brother Abel. And Abel was a keeper of sheep, but Cain was a tiller of the ground.

3 And in process of time it came to pass, that Cain brought of the fruit of the ground an offering unto the Lord.

4 And Abel, he also brought of the firstlings of his flock and of the fat thereof. And the Lord had respect unto Abel and to his offering:

5 But unto Cain and to his offering he had not respect. And Cain was very wroth, and his countenance fell.


it would make sense that this story was related to conflict between pastoralists and early agricultural societies, and the recognition that proper management of herds of ungulates can actually be dramatically beneficial to ecological succession, while longterm agriculture is inherently opposed to ecological succession.

I think that even the garden of eden story is fundamentally about the idea that humanity loses the garden and is doomed to toil endlessly until death/extinction when we believe we can decide and impose our own ideas of good and evil onto the world, rather than paying attention to the way the world actually works and trying to integrate with it...

just to be clear, humans cultivated edible species even before they intended to, and they intentionally cultivated edible species for a VERY long time before the "agricultural revolution" occurred. there is even evidence of agricultural societies emerging in some areas and then being abandoned for a return to more diverse multi-layered cultivated systems. sometimes people practiced different types of cultivation during different seasons. the conventional narrative of pre-agriculture is actually pathetic in its ignorance and propaganda.