Robbery with a gun. I match the description...

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12 Sep 2008, 9:23 pm

I hate cops. It seems like a lot of aspies have the not being believed problem when it comes to the police.



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13 Sep 2008, 7:39 am

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They probably lied when they said the robber was wearing what you're wearing.

Well, if that were to be the case, what else might those cops be capable of doing?


I think it'd be normal to lie to a suspect. Gotta fight fire with fire sort of thing.



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15 Sep 2008, 2:16 pm

I've had them pull me from a car and patted own because I matched a description with their hands on their guns. I have also been pulled over on numerous occasions for no apparent reason just to be asked questions. I think some of it is in the misinterpreting of social clues and for me my social phobia which they read as he's nervous therefore guilty of something.


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15 Sep 2008, 2:32 pm

Pobodys_Nerfect wrote:
I think it'd be normal to lie to a suspect.

Wouldn't that be against self-incrimination law?


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15 Sep 2008, 2:36 pm

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In the cops' eyes, your claim is unverified, so you must be treated like a suspect. That's police procedure.

I assume it depends on the treatment from the cops, if they seem more friendly they might get more cooperation but if they treat one suspect like he was a criminal, of course the innocent person would not like that at all, ASAIK they have the right to refuse to answer questions without a lawyer, I think it would be better that way, to avoid self-incrimination from the cops part, even if is not intentional.


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17 Sep 2008, 4:41 am

Armed robbers are the most dangerous of people. I would consider this moderate to mild questions.

Eye witnesses can tell you it was a big gun, pointed right at me. Looking directly at the person holding it is not a good thing to do, look down in the register, put the money in a bag, put it on the counter, wait for loud noise.

A redhead? That is a white male, most likely wearing clothes. Carrying bag?

A redhead and an aspie? I think you stand out in a crowd. Questioned, cooperated, checked and found to have no warrents, in school, normal boring citizen.

Phase two is a cop pointing a gun at you. Armed robbers are dangerous, it has happened to me twice, once it was, "standup". I did, and the guns were put away, they went back to the car, and brought the best drawing of me I have ever seen, a real artist, perfect! The only thing off was I am six inches taller. Anyone who knew me would have said it was me. I said it was me. I wanted a copy.

Second time was in a crowd, at a bus stop, and he was using me, to hide behind, he motioned for me to move to the side, and it was a sudden suprise for the guy hiding behind me, the one with the gun who had just robbed a store. He could give up or die. There were ten people waiting for a bus, a dangerous situation. I was a potential hostage.

It is not easy to hunt criminal humans in a pack of humans. I am in favor of it.

Sometimes it takes ten years, going through millions of files, questioning thousands, to finally find one serial killer. I think it is worth it.

Other times the police who investigate tell the victim, yea, that is Danny, he lives over on Thompson, and show them a picture. They are right, Danny just got out, for the tenth time, and always goes right back to doing the same thing. Danny will refuse to speak till his lawyer is there, often makes bail in hours, and is out doing crime to pay for it within hours. It is what he does.

We have millions of them. Most are doing life on the installment plan. A year, two, five, unless they get nailed big time.

A drug store cowboy hits drug stores, he wants the big bottle of pills, and often does not take the cash. Armed robbers are a dangerous breed, they may start killing, they do not burgle or steal cars. Rapists will pass on thousands in jewelery, cash, they want sex. Some very well to do people have a long string of shop lifting convictions, they do it for the rush. Even getting caught is part of the rush.

Humans are not a sane and rational species.

You should cooperate with your local police, the point is someone did something, and they are trying to do something about it. The trail quickly goes cold, so cooperate, crime is a local problem, you live there. Burglers rob hundreds of homes, armed robbers will most likely kill someone sooner or later, may have in the past. It is a thing about control, and a gun.

You may smoke weed, three steps up the line there is a new group in town, four local long time weed dealers have shown up dead. I think someone should check into this unfair business practice. You are being colonized by an El Salvadore gang, it is the way they do business, and where they do business, people disappear. They have a business plan, just like McDonalds, taking over block by block, running crime, making millions. Thousands of stolen cars are never recovered, they wind up in South America, this is big business.

It is a mess, someone has to deal with it.



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19 Sep 2008, 7:51 pm

greenblue wrote:
Pobodys_Nerfect wrote:
I think it'd be normal to lie to a suspect.

Wouldn't that be against self-incrimination law?


No. It is not. Police are allowed to lie to a suspect and make stuff up in order to trip up a suspect. It is completely legal. But if you try lying to the police you can be brought up on criminal charges of obstructing justice which can be a felony.


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19 Sep 2008, 7:53 pm

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See a lawyer as soon as possible. The next time police want to talk with you tell them you have no comment and to talk to your attorney. If they try to get you to sign anything tell them you will not sign anything unless your lawyer is present.

why would you do that? i mean, he didn't do anything and he has an alibi, so why to make it more difficult than necessary? i think that he did everything right. i would do exactly the same.


This is a very good presentation on why you should not talk to police if they think you are a suspect.

http://www.dianahsieh.com/blog/2008/06/ ... lice.shtml


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20 Sep 2008, 10:40 am

well at least your not in prison. Look at the bright side. Maybe you should stop wearing black pants with white shirts. :wtg:



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20 Sep 2008, 11:35 pm

Silver_Meteor wrote:
No. It is not. Police are allowed to lie to a suspect and make stuff up in order to trip up a suspect. It is completely legal. But if you try lying to the police you can be brought up on criminal charges of obstructing justice which can be a felony.


Not true, you can lie to the police all you want as long as you're not under oath. The exceptions would be things like bearing false witness or reporting a nonexistent crime, but in general there is no law against lying to the cops. If they find out later they may be pissed and it may make you look guilty though, so caution should still be exercised. If somehow you do find yourself being questioned seriously as a suspect though, the only word you need to know is "lawyer". Stick to it too, they'll try everything they can to talk around you asking for an attorney, it's not their job to make things easy for suspects.


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23 Sep 2008, 11:42 pm

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No. It is not. Police are allowed to lie to a suspect and make stuff up in order to trip up a suspect. It is completely legal. But if you try lying to the police you can be brought up on criminal charges of obstructing justice which can be a felony.


Not true, you can lie to the police all you want as long as you're not under oath. The exceptions would be things like bearing false witness or reporting a nonexistent crime, but in general there is no law against lying to the cops. If they find out later they may be pissed and it may make you look guilty though, so caution should still be exercised. If somehow you do find yourself being questioned seriously as a suspect though, the only word you need to know is "lawyer". Stick to it too, they'll try everything they can to talk around you asking for an attorney, it's not their job to make things easy for suspects.


There is no law requiring you to talk to the police if they try to question you because they think you are a suspect. It is well within your right to say: "Officer, I have nothing to say:Talk to my attorney".

But if you intentionally tell them a BS story if they question you, you can be charged with obstructing justice and receive a prison term. Any lawyer will tell you never lie to the police: It will always hurt you.


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24 Sep 2008, 9:55 am

This is awful! I hate cops!



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24 Sep 2008, 4:15 pm

Theres a fair possibility that the 'real' gunman doesnt exist ;)

This is a typical police trick, it gives them a pretence to harass randoms without resistance. If you followed them you might see the same thing happenning 10 mins later (to someone who looks different). Its all about the stats!



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24 Sep 2008, 7:35 pm

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Cops suck - Everywhere in the world


Substitute "Aspies" for "Cops" and see how you like that kind of generalization of your type of human being.

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04 Oct 2008, 8:13 pm

unless you are under arrest, don't answer any questions AT ALL. Nomatter how truthful and innocent you may be. It is much easier that way.