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Followthereaper90
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04 Oct 2008, 10:22 am

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Do they have your agreement to use these restraints?

The SEGUFIX site uses frames, which makes links a bit of a pain, but this seems pretty clear:
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I cannot see any way that the "staff" can decide to use these restraints. I'm not sure that you can even ask them to restrain you. It would seem to me that it should only be on the explicit orders of your doctor.

I also note that the SEGUFIX safety instructions, above, say:
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Warning! Monitor patients frequently:

Patients in restrictive products require frequent monitoring. Aggressive, agitated, restless patients and those in danger of aspirating require continuous monitoring.


That sounds to me as if they probably should be monitoring you MORE often - they may need EXTRA staff to provide sufficient monitoring for all the residents throughout the night.
Do they have your agreement to use these restraints? -yes since its better then using old wrist and ankle restraints (witch are still in use lot of residents etc around world) and as far that i know they have doctor agreement to use restraints when i get meltdowns ..i havent yet got chance to ask my doctor do they have permission to use em at nigth too ,hes coming at wednesday ..also yes they are saving money in wrong place even if they would got permission to use restraints at nigth 8O
update: they have permission to use em, how ever they dont have permission to use any other restraints at night which is at least some good news ^^ anyway all i can do now is waiting to situation improve :)


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05 Oct 2008, 2:06 pm

I feel for you. that thing dosnt look comfortable. i sure wouldnt be able to sleep in one of those things.



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05 Oct 2008, 6:14 pm

Anyone who takes away someone's liberty for their own paranoid idea of what safety is deserves neither liberty nor safety. Class-action the a**holes. Sue them and the people that said this was okay and gave them permission.



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06 Oct 2008, 5:02 pm

Not sure that you can do that in Finland. but i suggest acting nicely, and you might get out faster.



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07 Oct 2008, 10:45 pm

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Not sure that you can do that in Finland. but i suggest acting nicely, and you might get out faster.
i guess u are rigth but it does takes sometime anyway before they trust that i have more controls over my meltdowns :(


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08 Oct 2008, 11:48 am

Wow. That must not be fun.

I'm in a situation similar to yours, in being that I am trapped somewhere where I cannot leave. I call it an institution, though it's technically kiddie jail (I'm 17), and it really hurts to hear that you're restrained to the bed at night (though being locked in your room isn't great either).

I don't know what else to say.


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09 Oct 2008, 3:10 am

KiyokosOnlyOnigiri wrote:
Wow. That must not be fun.

I'm in a situation similar to yours, in being that I am trapped somewhere where I cannot leave. I call it an institution, though it's technically kiddie jail (I'm 17), and it really hurts to hear that you're restrained to the bed at night (though being locked in your room isn't great either).

I don't know what else to say.
thats not fun either i hope u get away from there soon :)


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09 Oct 2008, 2:36 pm

FTR,
it sounds like they may be breaking both human and disability rights or laws there-am recommend getting in contact with local legal advice people [is there a community legal team,or citizens advice place] or those who know a lot about disability rights online-if would like,am can pm a link to a great disability forum where there are a lot of users knowledgeable about the rights side,or if would prefer,am could post something about it,and send the link to it.
am have never experienced such restraint objects-even at school back in the abusive eighties and nineties was restrained by people power-the high secure unit at DD/LD institution am used to live in used physical intervention,not objects despite it dealing with the most challenging auties,MRers and lders in the service.

am do not understand why europe can be so different-fair and unfair,even though they are all close countries.
do not accept this,get as many people involved as possible-local papers etc,mp...they should not be using restraints instead of staff,the residents should have a right to be free-are not sectioned and it isnt a young offenders home so should be treated with as much right as everyone else,they need to give the staffing to allow physical restraint,but this sounds like theyre trying to stop funding as much as possible,sounds exactly like what residential,supported and group care is like here,using the cheapest way around things-dont let them get away with it because given a chance they will,its taking away right,are being treated like a prisoner who has done wrong.


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10 Oct 2008, 3:14 am

ya made compliment via e-mail im not going to argue about this i just writed straight where money comes and my spycolosic will support me :) just takes 2-4 days from em to read it and take actions


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10 Oct 2008, 3:17 am

KingdomOfRats wrote:
FTR,
it sounds like they may be breaking both human and disability rights or laws there-am recommend getting in contact with local legal advice people [is there a community legal team,or citizens advice place] or those who know a lot about disability rights online-if would like,am can pm a link to a great disability forum where there are a lot of users knowledgeable about the rights side,or if would prefer,am could post something about it,and send the link to it.
am have never experienced such restraint objects-even at school back in the abusive eighties and nineties was restrained by people power-the high secure unit at DD/LD institution am used to live in used physical intervention,not objects despite it dealing with the most challenging auties,MRers and lders in the service.

am do not understand why europe can be so different-fair and unfair,even though they are all close countries.
do not accept this,get as many people involved as possible-local papers etc,mp...they should not be using restraints instead of staff,the residents should have a right to be free-are not sectioned and it isnt a young offenders home so should be treated with as much right as everyone else,they need to give the staffing to allow physical restraint,but this sounds like theyre trying to stop funding as much as possible,sounds exactly like what residential,supported and group care is like here,using the cheapest way around things-dont let them get away with it because given a chance they will,its taking away right,are being treated like a prisoner who has done wrong.
ya if u know some law not allowing this feel free to post it it gives more weight to demands :)


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13 Oct 2008, 12:15 pm

update: they got more money>more staff at nigth sfith >no more being forcet to use em at nigth :thumleft: so now again they are only allowed to use em on meltdowns :)


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14 Oct 2008, 10:36 am

Excellent.

I hope they were only doing it, at all, as a temporary measure.

There are certainly instances where a person might request the use of such measures on themselves. E.g. a person who suffers from night terrors, who does cause themselves bad injuries, even broken bones.

Being involuntarily restrained, purely for the convenience of the establishment - that just isn't acceptable.


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15 Oct 2008, 1:58 am

ya at least it shouldnt be but acording to them they can restrain u for your own safety if u headbang when u meltdown but that should be only temporary what i been told :)


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