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MR_BOGAN
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05 Dec 2008, 4:55 pm

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No. I suspect that you will be tasked with his training. Depending on how you handle it, you can set him up for embarrassment or for becoming your next supervisor.

For the former, give him the "official" training in writing, and direct him to study it on his own, while deliberately giving him verbal mis-information regarding everything he is expected to know. When confronted, deny everything except that you "went by the book" in his training. This should work if you already have the reputation for doing things "by the book," which it seems you do.

For the latter, just give him everything he needs to know to do his job in a helpful, honest, and straightforward manner. No one will ever even suspect that you've sabotaged your own career by giving Mr. GQ everything he needs to dominate your position.

The choice is yours. Make it a good one.

What benefit I would get If I cause him embarrassment?

He'll be less likely to be given a position of authority over you, and others will be more likely to come to you for "real" help. It's all about job security.

Now, while I do not believe that supplying misinformation to a potential rival is ethical behavior, the alternatives may not be something you'd tolerate for very long.


Exactly that's why you don't do it. :roll:
Fnord Go fucken justify your own unethical behavior somewhere else. :lol: To me it sounds like you have done bad things in the past and you are trying to justify them as ok to make it easier to live with yourself. :wink: (You have your own morals and values, you don't know other peoples morals and values) :lol:

LPP the guy got hired because he has got presentation skills and that will be good when dealing with customers. They are good skills to have.
But like you said the guy was bad mouthing his ex boss and scored poorly in other areas so I think you are right that he shouldn't have got the job and I think you were correct with you decision process. But it wasn't your call.

Anyhow WHF? You don't rate your physical appearence because you are small. Aren't you successful in your work life? You sound like you have a good job and are well respected by your pairs.. :?

Is it fair that some people are more intellegent than others? Is it fair that some people have talents and some people don't?

At the end of the day all you can do is make the best with what you have.



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05 Dec 2008, 5:12 pm

MR_BOGAN wrote:
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No. I suspect that you will be tasked with his training. Depending on how you handle it, you can set him up for embarrassment or for becoming your next supervisor.

For the former, give him the "official" training in writing, and direct him to study it on his own, while deliberately giving him verbal mis-information regarding everything he is expected to know. When confronted, deny everything except that you "went by the book" in his training. This should work if you already have the reputation for doing things "by the book," which it seems you do.

For the latter, just give him everything he needs to know to do his job in a helpful, honest, and straightforward manner. No one will ever even suspect that you've sabotaged your own career by giving Mr. GQ everything he needs to dominate your position.

The choice is yours. Make it a good one.

What benefit I would get If I cause him embarrassment?

He'll be less likely to be given a position of authority over you, and others will be more likely to come to you for "real" help. It's all about job security.

Now, while I do not believe that supplying misinformation to a potential rival is ethical behavior, the alternatives may not be something you'd tolerate for very long.


Exactly that's why you don't do it. :roll:
Fnord Go f**** justify your own unethical behavior somewhere else. :lol: To me it sounds like you have done bad things in the past and you are trying to justify them as ok to make it easier to live with yourself. :wink: (You have your own morals and values, you don't know other peoples morals and values) :lol:

LPP the guy got hired because he has got presentation skills and that will be good when dealing with customers. They are good skills to have.
But like you said the guy was bad mouthing his ex boss and scored poorly in other areas so I think you are right that he shouldn't have got the job and I think you were correct with you decision process. But it wasn't your call.

Anyhow WHF? You don't rate your physical appearence because you are small. Aren't you successful in your work life? You sound like you have a good job and are well respected by your pairs.. :?

Is it fair that some people are more intellegent than others? Is it fair that some people have talents and some people don't?

At the end of the day all you can do is make the best with what you have.


I am thinking that I might failed to detect those 'presentation skills' but my boss literally mentioned his looks, anyways ...as I said before , my superior's decision might be the wisest one , I might failed to detect those good qualities because I can't easily understand them....
But , the much higher initial salary does really annoy me.



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05 Dec 2008, 5:16 pm

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I'm confused...LePetitPrince, are you a man or a woman? Your profile says you're female...


I am straight male with normal levels of male hormone (slightly higher in fact according to some blood test)..as for what my profile says well...it's a long story :P



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05 Dec 2008, 5:27 pm

No to me it sounds like you are right. Looks and social skills play a part when dealing with customers, but if he got choosen above other people that can over all do the job better then they didn't choose the right person.



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06 Dec 2008, 4:16 am

Hah, sounds like your boss is gay, hah.

I would not have hired the guy, but I would sure have tried to do something!



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06 Dec 2008, 5:17 am

^he's married



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06 Dec 2008, 10:04 am

This happens to me all the time.

Your boss is an intelligent recruiter. He got 2 opposite personalities (the new guy and you) with opposite strengths and weaknesses. If you were your own boss you'd be wise to make the same decision: hire someone who's the "face", because you are the "brain".

Rejoice in the fact that now you won't be expected to do any of the "face" work and be "more social".

And understand that the antonym of Aspie is salesman.

Thanks for answering my question, btw. I'm curious about the story behind the profile gender, to be honest.


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06 Dec 2008, 12:34 pm

^^^^ but it seems that 'the face' has a better promising future on all levels, I mean he started with a trainee salary that it's higher than my first salary for about 40% , yet he has no msaters degree while I have one!

Sucks to be the brain.



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06 Dec 2008, 12:36 pm

In today's world, the charmers are the winners, yes. They make the most money and connections. They do pay a price for it, though.


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06 Dec 2008, 12:40 pm

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Thanks for answering my question, btw. I'm curious about the story behind the profile gender, to be honest.


I was been accused here by couple of girls that I am sexist so I changed my profile's gender to female to prove that I feel equal to a female and not ashamed to show that.



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06 Dec 2008, 12:51 pm

Middle Eastern men are terribly machoistic, that's why I'm single. No kidding.


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06 Dec 2008, 12:56 pm

^^ that's probably why I am easily accused with that , probably it's a middle-eastern stereotype but my I see humanity in fact mostly from an evolutionist perspective.


....but hey! not all Israelis are originated from middle-east. You can really call yourselves a 'middle eastern' race/people.



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06 Dec 2008, 1:07 pm

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.but hey! not all Israelis are originated from middle-east. You can really call yourselves a 'middle eastern' race/people.


Men are extremely Middle Eastern in their behavior here, wherever they or their parents come from. I don't know why, but being an Aspie it's no surprise that I don't understand people. I long for the kind of man back where I was born.


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06 Dec 2008, 1:09 pm

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I long for the kind of man back where I was born.

^^ then go back to your original country.

'machoistic' is a common trait in religious cultures ...it's not about the location.



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06 Dec 2008, 2:51 pm

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^he's married


Hah. Next you'll say he's a republican politician as well.



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06 Dec 2008, 3:54 pm

^^didn't get it.