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18 Apr 2009, 4:42 pm

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Okay, so I just looked it up and pepper spray is not allowed in the UK, but the alternative is dye spray. Not sure how effective it is, but is suppesd to achive the same affect of temporarly blinding the person


What a way to think. I wouldn't care what so ever what is legal or not... if some brain dead fool is coming at you and wants to harm you YOU SPRAY HIM! f**k the law, broken ass system created by broken ass NT's. If someone is harming you, protect yourself.

I can't believe this, no offense roadracer but if someone wants me harm I would first protect myself then thought about the law. Like the law cares about you when you're in a body bag.

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A) A guy comes at you with a knife. He yells at you to give him your money. You tell him sure and when he's close enough you spray him and he falls to the ground. Then you become the predator and stomp his balls so that he can never reproduce again.

B) The guy comes at you with a knife. You have nothing to defend yourself with. The guy takes your cash and leaves. You cry.

B½) Same as B but the guy ends up stabbing you to death. Your dead, he's "rich" and your parents are crying their eyes out and cursing the world. At least you followed the law.

If the case is that the pepper spray has damaged the robbers eyes then he shouldn't have tried to f**** rob you!

...and so again, f**k the law and the horse it rode in on.


I agree with this, but unfortunately in the UK even carrying a weapon (pepper spray counts) is illegal. So if you a carrying something "just in case", and nobody's actually done anything to you YET, you are the only person commiting a crime. I know, it's f'd up. Something has to be done about those evil bastards running this nation.


Then you carry it anyway... yes BREAK THE LAW 24/7.
If you have a purse, keep it there.

Don't spray the class bully or some stupid crap, but when someone really nasty is going for you then I rather have you spray him in the face then take the negative projection of his miserable life.


I just carry a can of hairspray, it's perfectly legal and I know from experience it's not something you want sprayed into your eyes, so problem solved.

I don't generally have a problem with breaking the law when I know the law is talking out its ass, but it'd be nice to avoid getting into any more trouble than I absolutely have to. But if anyone attacks me, to hell with the law, I know my rights.


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18 Apr 2009, 4:50 pm

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I am sorry to hear that you were attacked in the street. The people who threw things at you sounds like real low lifes.

I would warn people against the idea that a gun / pepper spray / knife / angry dog / rubber chicken or what ever you might think to carry will make you perfectly safe. I think that many weapons are not nearly as good as the makers would like you to think. Also if you get caught with a knife or pepper spray somewhere like London you could end up in a world of trouble.


I was solely talking about the pepper spray in case of self defense. I'm totally against weapons and knifes. The best way to win is by neutralizing, you will restore order and the perpetrator will learn. No killing, life is sacred even if it's brain is the size of a pea.



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18 Apr 2009, 5:05 pm

It really freaks me out that any type of self-defense is pretty much illegal in the UK - mace, tasers, everything else. And god forbid you are attacked by a 'minor' - if you try to defend yourself, you'll be thrown in jail for hitting them.

It's such a twisted system. Sure, taking away weapons may prevent some violence, but it also gives those who have weapons a greater success rate.

I think Gina, who suggested hairspray, might be on to something. Anything aerosol that would burn would be enough to provide a few extra seconds to run away. Though I wonder if that could be somehow construed as a 'weapon'. :?



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18 Apr 2009, 5:20 pm

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It really freaks me out that any type of self-defense is pretty much illegal in the UK - mace, tasers, everything else. And god forbid you are attacked by a 'minor' - if you try to defend yourself, you'll be thrown in jail for hitting them.

It's such a twisted system. Sure, taking away weapons may prevent some violence, but it also gives those who have weapons a greater success rate.

I think Gina, who suggested hairspray, might be on to something. Anything aerosol that would burn would be enough to provide a few extra seconds to run away. Though I wonder if that could be somehow construed as a 'weapon'. :?


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18 Apr 2009, 5:25 pm

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It really freaks me out that any type of self-defense is pretty much illegal in the UK - mace, tasers, everything else. And god forbid you are attacked by a 'minor' - if you try to defend yourself, you'll be thrown in jail for hitting them.

It's such a twisted system. Sure, taking away weapons may prevent some violence, but it also gives those who have weapons a greater success rate.

I think Gina, who suggested hairspray, might be on to something. Anything aerosol that would burn would be enough to provide a few extra seconds to run away. Though I wonder if that could be somehow construed as a 'weapon'. :?


My sort-of stepdad got attacked by a gang of youths who he had told off for throwing stones at a parked car. He pushed one of the kids away in self-defense, and then the brat's mother is threatening a lawsuit. The owner of the car wasn't even grateful for his intervention. People these days... :roll:


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18 Apr 2009, 5:50 pm

ive had hard bagels thrown at me when i was walking, thankfully they didnt hit me but still. i mean wtf? why pick on people walking? anyways sorry to hear you were attacked. this summer some punks attacked some gay dude here intown. people are rude these days :(



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19 Apr 2009, 1:08 am

Wow, that was very manly of them.



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19 Apr 2009, 6:35 pm

I think it is legal to carry a blade that is less than 3in long. That's what I do.

I once came close to using it on someone. I was in a taxi and a drunk guy tried to touch me, and I freaked out really bad. I started screaming just about every obscenity in the English language, pulled my lock knife and waved it in front of his face roaring 'Do you want this in one of your vital organs, you Motherf***er?'

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My sort-of stepdad got attacked by a gang of youths who he had told off for throwing stones at a parked car. He pushed one of the kids away in self-defense, and then the brat's mother is threatening a lawsuit. The owner of the car wasn't even grateful for his intervention. People these days...


Yup...

Aged 12, a group of kids at school surrounded me and got a girl to attack me. She rammed me against a metal cupboard, whereupon I came over all hyperadrenal berserker girl and beat the s**t out of her...she had lasting injuries. I really didn't mean to hurt her that bad, but I just panicked because there were loads of them. Guess who the school staff sided with, even after I explained that there were a whole group of them and I couldn't run.


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19 Apr 2009, 11:28 pm

andriarose wrote:
It really freaks me out that any type of self-defense is pretty much illegal in the UK - mace, tasers, everything else. And god forbid you are attacked by a 'minor' - if you try to defend yourself, you'll be thrown in jail for hitting them.

It's such a twisted system. Sure, taking away weapons may prevent some violence, but it also gives those who have weapons a greater success rate.

I think Gina, who suggested hairspray, might be on to something. Anything aerosol that would burn would be enough to provide a few extra seconds to run away. Though I wonder if that could be somehow construed as a 'weapon'. :?

Man, that's pretty bad. Even the United States isn't that bad (but we're getting there). If you defend yourself though, you still DO get arrested, but at least the person who attacked you gets arrested to.

Andriarose, I'd suggest you take an Aikido class if one is available near you. It's virtually all self-defense stuff that you can use on someone without going to jail for it (at least in the US...).



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20 Apr 2009, 3:31 am

When I was 9 and in the 4th grade, some kids started picking on me during lunch time. since it was winter time, we were in doors in teh classroom after we ate our lunch.... some kid started hitting me then I lost it and beat the fark out of him and another 4 or 5 kids.... grabbed one kid by the throat and literally threw him into the coat rack and he got stabbed by one of the hooks in his neck.... hit two other kids with chairs I grabbed and threw at people closest to me.... i just started grabbing anyone who was close to me and beat the fark out of them....

took about 8 or 9 kids to tackle me and the teacher with a few other teachers to hold me down then take me to the office and I was there for a few hours until I actually calmed down enough...

Things like that in school almost got me institutionalized...



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20 Apr 2009, 7:38 am

Cyanide wrote:
I'd suggest you take an Aikido class if one is available near you. It's virtually all self-defense stuff that you can use on someone without going to jail for it (at least in the US...).


I'm actually highly trained in multiple Martial Arts, but when you stand barely 5' tall and have 5 guys coming at you... the odds are really not as good as action movies like to make them out to be. :hmph:

I am confident I could make a good attempt at a getaway if I was suddenly grabbed or such, and I can block if someone takes a swing at me. It's the groups of angry people that freak me out, and there seem to be far too many of them here. Too bad I can't carry my Kama around with me. But then again, that might just invite more trouble. :wink:

You know what I want? One of those things from Spaceballs that Dark Helmet uses to shoot guys in the nuts. Now *that* would be great self-defense. :D



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20 Apr 2009, 8:14 am

I'm wary of all the bravado stuff. Personally, I think it's less about exacting revenge for what ever they're threatening you about, and more about saving your bacon. People get shot and even that is not a sure way to put them down if they're on drugs or something. If shooting someone doesn't always work, then I'd be wary of thinking that carrying some spray is like packing heat that will get you out of any situation.

If someone injured a person trying to rob them, I'd back their case for it. But continuing to live always struck me as more important than doing battle with your assailant. Sure, someone might say you were hardcore and all of that, but they might also say it was a shame you ended up as a corpse. That said, it all depends on the situation. But I don't think having five guys coming at you is the right situation to try and actively defend yourself if there's an opportunity to get out of dodge.