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06 Jan 2018, 1:11 pm

...I'm crippled, getting around to fix things (for instance the account/card) is a a decidedly hard push for me, and attempts to fix the card thing blew up in my face :( . That fair or justice :cry: ?


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06 Jan 2018, 2:19 pm

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...I'm crippled, getting around to fix things (for instance the account/card) is a a decidedly hard push for me, and attempts to fix the card thing blew up in my face :( . That fair or justice :cry: ?

How did it “blow up in your face “?



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06 Jan 2018, 3:02 pm

I don't think ASS-P's going to rob somebody any time soon.

Yes, there are homeless people who are conmen/hustlers. And some do rob people, too, sometimes at knifepoint.

I've seen the "hustle" in action. I live in NYC.

I don't believe ASS-P is that type, though.



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06 Jan 2018, 3:13 pm

drwho222 wrote:
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he visited my aspie meetup group a few years back, and while I wasn't there at that time, my fellow group members concurred that he was indeed homeless and ragged. he is NOT faking it IMHO. he is a real human being who is really homeless, he is very high-need but i'd be high need also if I were in his shoes.


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I'm simply trying to understand where you are coming from. Like, why does he rile you up


I'm not sure if anyone doubts him completely. But he does say things that seem contradictory. Changes his story around. Suddenly adds info that would have saved 10 pages of what then turns out to be wasted advice. And that's one reason why people get so frustrated with him. He often puts people through the ringer in threads that go on forever.

And I hate to say it but some homeless people do use a lot of manipulation to get stuff from others. Like if you don't give money to someone asking for it, they'll say something like "god bless you" as you're walking away to get you to change your mind for example.

Red Robbin is homeless too and we don't ever get anything like this from him whatsoever. And he's very likely not the only other homeless person who's been on WP. This seems to be a forum phenomenon that's exclusive to ASS-P. And it's been going on for hundreds maybe thousands of pages for over 10 years.


Yes. All of this. In Chicago, we have professional panhandlers, each with some manipulative sob story (I was robbed and cant get back to Oklahoma City for example). Many are just liars and drug addicts.


OMFG, this brings me back to an incident that happened when I was 18-19. It has nothing to do with a homeless person. This explains it further. I was emotionally manipulated by someone who I should have told to eat a dick.



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06 Jan 2018, 3:35 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
I don't think ASS-P's going to rob somebody any time soon.

Yes, there are homeless people who are conmen/hustlers. And some do rob people, too, sometimes at knifepoint.

I've seen the "hustle" in action. I live in NYC.

I don't believe ASS-P is that type, though.


So then what do you call...

Wont someone help a poor cripple :cry: :cry: :cry: wont one of you help a poor cripple :cry: :cry: :cry: did I mention I'm a cripple? :cry: :cry: :cry:

Page after page after page, thread after thread?

Keep in mind I myself am a cripple.



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06 Jan 2018, 3:42 pm

EzraS wrote:
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I don't think ASS-P's going to rob somebody any time soon.

Yes, there are homeless people who are conmen/hustlers. And some do rob people, too, sometimes at knifepoint.

I've seen the "hustle" in action. I live in NYC.

I don't believe ASS-P is that type, though.


So then what do you call...

Wont someone help a poor cripple :cry: :cry: :cry: wont one of you help a poor cripple :cry: :cry: :cry: did I mention I'm a cripple? :cry: :cry: :cry:

Page after page after page, thread after thread.

Keep in mind I myself am a cripple.


What is wrong with asking for help if one needs help? I really, really wish there were more services for those like us.

Quite honestly, I think the best thing for ASS-P to do is this. Forget storing the stuff. Ditch and burn the stuff like Goldfish suggests. When he dies he can't take anything with him, right? Forget college. Concentrate on getting a better phone and/or laptop and stay at the facility he is at. Don't go outside. Do go to McDonalds. He is on SSDI/SSI and is at this facility so he should be able to afford a decent laptop or phone.

If I was him this is what I would do. This is one of these times one does need to call it quits. He is physically disabled and mentally disabled. It is very difficult to get services. Stay at the facility. Call it quits and f**k the mineral royalities. Consider it as a sunken cost you can't recover. Throw away the stuff one can't really store well. Order a phone or labtop and have it delivered. Chill! Enjoy what time one has left with what one can do at the facility.



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06 Jan 2018, 3:54 pm

cubedemon6073 wrote:
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kraftiekortie wrote:
I don't think ASS-P's going to rob somebody any time soon.

Yes, there are homeless people who are conmen/hustlers. And some do rob people, too, sometimes at knifepoint.

I've seen the "hustle" in action. I live in NYC.

I don't believe ASS-P is that type, though.


So then what do you call...

Wont someone help a poor cripple :cry: :cry: :cry: wont one of you help a poor cripple :cry: :cry: :cry: did I mention I'm a cripple? :cry: :cry: :cry:

Page after page after page, thread after thread.

Keep in mind I myself am a cripple.


What is wrong with asking for help if one needs help?


So you don't see a problem with him using this forum to try getting some autistic person to become personally physically involved in his personal affairs outside of this forum?

There's a lot of homeless people in my town who need help, should I start handing them cards directing them to go to WP to start asking for it?



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06 Jan 2018, 4:00 pm

In answer to Ezra: I think he feels sorry for himself. I think he's been in a dependent pattern for a long time. He's not a healthy man at all.

He does need support--and he has to make better choices. But I don't think he's a con man.

You're young, and you have a good support system. And you work hard and are determined to succeed.

You are a "cripple," perhaps, in some ways---but in other important ways, you are not a cripple.

You have your whole life ahead of you. You have the opportunity to make the right choices.



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06 Jan 2018, 4:11 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
In answer to Ezra: I think he feels sorry for himself. I think he's been in a dependent pattern for a long time. He's not a healthy man at all.

He does need support--


And he's asking someone here to provide it for him.

Remember when I started saying you should be that person and how you basically said "hell no". What were you saying hell no to?

Tell me exactly what kind of support he's trying to get here. Be specific.



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06 Jan 2018, 4:16 pm

He's asking for more support than people can give him. He wants "hands-on" support, which is impossible.

To some extent, he needs the support. But I also believe he can work a little harder at, say, acquiring more computer literacy.

I believe he can fill out a college application on his own. And there are supports in most colleges for when he has a question about something.

He's not a con man. But he has, perhaps, too much expectations.

The man has created many quandaries for himself. That's the main problem.



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06 Jan 2018, 4:20 pm

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He's asking for more support than people can give him. He wants "hands-on" support, which is impossible.


Exactly. Really it's unreasonable.

So do you think he should keep asking for unreasonable help here over and over with all the :cry: :cry: :cry: to make us feel bad?

Or do you think this needs to finally stop once and for all? Because that's all I'm saying, it needs to stop.

And believe me, I feel like total sh!t having to speak up about it.



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06 Jan 2018, 4:28 pm

I think he needs a place to talk to people. That place is WP.

I don't think he should be "banned" from asking for help. But I do believe he should show evidence of his trying to help himself, so that people will be more willing to complement what he does himself. Not by uprooting their lives, but by providing advice through the forum format. I don't believe people should uproot themselves to help him.

His best situation would be a situation where he has both medical and psychological supports, and freedom of movement.



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06 Jan 2018, 4:36 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
I think he needs a place to talk to people. That place is WP.

I don't think he should be "banned" from asking for help. But I do believe he should show evidence of his trying to help himself, so that people will be more willing to complement what he does himself. Not by uprooting their lives, but by providing advice through the forum format. I don't believe people should uproot themselves to help him.

His best situation would be a situation where he has both medical and psychological supports, and freedom of movement.


I'm not asking for him to be banned. I'm asking for him to stop making unreasonable demands. That's all anyone who's on the same page as me is asking... Stop with the begging pleading guilt trip demands for unreasonable hands on help from one of us that we can't provide. He puts people though the ringer with this constantly and it needs to stop.



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06 Jan 2018, 4:40 pm

The best thing to do is to say "no" in a nice way. With no guilt in your heart. Nobody is under any obligation to help him.

If he starts abusing people, then there should be intervention which will help him not abuse people in the future.



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06 Jan 2018, 4:47 pm

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So you don't see a problem with him using this forum to try getting some autistic person to become personally physically involved in his personal affairs outside of this forum?


I think it is a moral obligation for those who can help to help those who can't do for themselves. Our nation supposedly has Christian values. Didn't the Bible to say to give a coat to those who don't have one?

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There's a lot of homeless people in my town who need help, should I start handing them cards directing them to go to WP to start asking for it?


If you're in a position to help then you have a moral obligation to help. If you're not, then you don't have the obligation.



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06 Jan 2018, 4:49 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
He's asking for more support than people can give him. He wants "hands-on" support, which is impossible.

To some extent, he needs the support. But I also believe he can work a little harder at, say, acquiring more computer literacy.

I believe he can fill out a college application on his own. And there are supports in most colleges for when he has a question about something.

He's not a con man. But he has, perhaps, too much expectations.

The man has created many quandaries for himself. That's the main problem.


I disagree. Computer literacy, yea I agree. College, forget it.